Citizen's Initiated Referendum - transparent return envelopes and general discussion

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#136339 23-Nov-2013 21:03

So, I had my say today, did my bit - and noticed that the envelope supplied for returning the papers is transparent, if held up to the light (a lightbulb is sufficient).

I hope the postie doesn't filter the votes!

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#939671 23-Nov-2013 22:26

Total waste of money and time. Turnout will be interesting however - I doubt the postie will have that many to check ;-)

Lazy is such an ugly word, I prefer to call it selective participation

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#939677 23-Nov-2013 22:37

I could be off topic here but didn't we already vote on this a few years back? I think it was called a general election. you know, the one where the parties say what they will do in the next 4 years and you vote for which plan you think will make you the least worse off.

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#939679 23-Nov-2013 22:44

geekiegeek: I could be off topic here but didn't we already vote on this a few years back? I think it was called a general election. you know, the one where the parties say what they will do in the next 4 years and you vote for which plan you think will make you the least worse off.

We did. NZ drives me crazy some times.

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#939682 23-Nov-2013 22:51

Agreed its a question and has already been asked and answered, but I checked my envelope and I couldn't see which was I had voted. Maybe I should have used a crayon or a magic-marker.

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#939687 23-Nov-2013 22:55

geekiegeek: I could be off topic here but didn't we already vote on this a few years back? I think it was called a general election. you know, the one where the parties say what they will do in the next 4 years and you vote for which plan you think will make you the least worse off.

Democracy, enough support then there is a referendum. Not a bad thing, except they should be binding.

Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.

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#939688 23-Nov-2013 22:56

KiwiNZ:
geekiegeek: I could be off topic here but didn't we already vote on this a few years back? I think it was called a general election. you know, the one where the parties say what they will do in the next 4 years and you vote for which plan you think will make you the least worse off.

Democracy, enough support then there is a referendum. Not a bad thing, except they should be binding.

Binding? How could they make this binding? The assets are already sold.

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#939689 23-Nov-2013 22:57

I cant see mine thru the envelope.

Voted yes to piss off the idiots that wanted the referendum. Otherwise wouldn't have bothered since its non binding.

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#939691 23-Nov-2013 22:58

networkn:
KiwiNZ:
geekiegeek: I could be off topic here but didn't we already vote on this a few years back? I think it was called a general election. you know, the one where the parties say what they will do in the next 4 years and you vote for which plan you think will make you the least worse off.

Democracy, enough support then there is a referendum. Not a bad thing, except they should be binding.

Binding? How could they make this binding? The assets are already sold.

All referendums should be binding.

Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.

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#939700 23-Nov-2013 23:16

KiwiNZ:

All referendums should be binding.

Not really, because it puts actual decision making abilities into the hands of people who are not equipped to make those decisions.

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#939701 23-Nov-2013 23:19

They are going to look pretty stupid if the majority of people who bother to return them vote for selling part ownership of some assets. Total waste of money, especially as national was voted in based on these policies so they have a mandate to sell them, and most have now been sold . I think National would have likely got more votes if they hadn't had that as a policy, so it had likely cost them some votes anyway.

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#939702 23-Nov-2013 23:29

richms:

Not really, because it puts actual decision making abilities into the hands of people who are not equipped to make those decisions.

Winston Churchill:

The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.

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#939704 23-Nov-2013 23:55

Nz is very good at throwing money down the drain in the form of meaningless surveys, meaningful surveys that goes nowhere, professional fundraisers, consultant fees just to name a few. However if you were making money from meaningless things ... Will 2 good on ya!

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#939727 24-Nov-2013 06:19

richms:
KiwiNZ:

All referendums should be binding.

Not really, because it puts actual decision making abilities into the hands of people who are not equipped to make those decisions.

That is a very arrogant statement. Democracy is Government of the people, by the people, for the people. It is not government by a select few.

Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.

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#939743 24-Nov-2013 08:17

geekiegeek: I could be off topic here but didn't we already vote on this a few years back? I think it was called a general election. you know, the one where the parties say what they will do in the next 4 years and you vote for which plan you think will make you the least worse off.

That would actually be an argument against asset sales then, because National did not receive a majority of the votes. That's the problem with MMP - the party that gets in does not necessarily have the mandate they inevitably claim to have.

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#939757 24-Nov-2013 08:45

KiwiNZ:
richms:
KiwiNZ:

All referendums should be binding.

Not really, because it puts actual decision making abilities into the hands of people who are not equipped to make those decisions.

That is a very arrogant statement. Democracy is Government of the people, by the people, for the people. It is not government by a select few.

So you think the majority of the population understand all the factors involved in this to the extent that they're able to make an educated decision which is in the best interest of the majority for the long term?

Democracy is just the least worst alternative.

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