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#138468 5-Jan-2014 21:51
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What is the name of the bar that for some reason the Herald didn't name in this story?

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11180656



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  #961643 5-Jan-2014 21:58
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If it occurred I hope the Bar is named, shamed and financially affected.




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  #961652 5-Jan-2014 22:40
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Where is the other side of the story? Was the man intoxicated? Did he meet the bars dress code? Where they full up at the time but had space 5 minutes later when other patrons tried to enter? Had the man previously been removed from the bar and issued a bluey? Did he make some stupid comment to the bouncer about race... take a story like this with a grain of salt and withhold your outrage for something more interesting.

 
 
 
 


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  #961653 5-Jan-2014 22:42
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Always 2 side to every story

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  #961665 5-Jan-2014 23:30
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KiwiNZ: If it occurred I hope the Bar is named, shamed and financially affected.


The guy was probably being a douche or didn't look good enough.




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  #961674 6-Jan-2014 01:02
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KiwiNZ: If it occurred I hope the Bar is named, shamed and financially affected.


 

Even if that happened, what would you gain? The main culprit here is the bouncer.




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  #961700 6-Jan-2014 07:02
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ScuL:
KiwiNZ: If it occurred I hope the Bar is named, shamed and financially affected.



Even if that happened, what would you gain? The main culprit here is the bouncer.



My post stated "if it occurred" meaning if it was racially based. Therefore the whole community has great deal to gain if racism is named shamed and got rid of. As a society we need to have a zero tolerance to it.

The Bar is reonsible for its staff.




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  #961716 6-Jan-2014 08:23
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ScuL:
KiwiNZ: If it occurred I hope the Bar is named, shamed and financially affected.

Even if that happened, what would you gain? The main culprit here is the bouncer.

The bouncer has some responsibility if he chose to implement an instruction of that nature. But door staff act completely on instructions from management specific to the venue. If an instruction like this was issued, well...

kingjj: Where is the other side of the story?

In general I agree not enough information. If he was in a group of five guys [edit: no information] vs a mixed sex group it's not unheard of to select to make sure your club isn't 100% full of blokes.

Regardless a serious allegation has been made and it deserves a response from the guy on the door and management.

In the article the guy gives other examples where he feels he was treated differently based on race. Gut instinct tells me at least some of those examples would be true and that is going to colour your experience for sure.

Btw, is racial discrimination an actual crime like would be complained to and investigated by the police?

 
 
 
 


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  #961718 6-Jan-2014 08:42
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I've been turned away from bars that were only letting in woman at the time because of the sausage percentage already inside. I'm not about to scream sexism. There could be a hundred other reasons than racism for these guys being declined entry.

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  #961726 6-Jan-2014 08:50
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Never take news from a single source at face value. (and sometimes multiple sources too).

I've seen how the media distorts and misrepresents facts. Either through incompetence or desire to juice up a story.

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  #961751 6-Jan-2014 09:38
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"Mr Gopal, who has travelled to Argentina, Brazil, Canada, Malaysia and Singapore for work, says he feels New Zealand is "most racist"."

he hasn't been to South Africa, Australia or the USA then lol

and i agree that this is a completely one sided story that just seems to follow the trend of pointing the finger and yelling so that the other side has no chance of telling their side.

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  #961805 6-Jan-2014 11:47
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Who knows maybe it was an economic decision? Maybe the owners have set theories about who will spend the most money?

I have seen this happen in bars in Asia, not Malaysia (In Malaysia he would have different issues) as the locals think people from sub continent don't spend enough or buy 1 drink and share.

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  #961815 6-Jan-2014 12:01
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i think the title should instead be "does racism exist in NZ" and the answer is probably yes.

just a guess.

(i was in invercargill once and overheard a group of people commenting that a group of [probably Sikhs] with turbans should'n't be allowed on the planes because they were probably terrorists!)




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  #961820 6-Jan-2014 12:08
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I moved south to Dunedin a few years ago, people are FAR more racist down here than Waikato/BOP.

I thought I was pretty redneck, but I'm not a patch on these folk.




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  #961824 6-Jan-2014 12:15
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As far as I know bars are allowed to let in who they like, when they like,  and deny entry to anyone for any reason whats so ever.

"Right of admission reserved" means exactly what it says. It does not mean that you need to be supplied with a valid reason as to why you cannot enter.

Its a pity that this Indian guy had to pull the race card. I doubt its race related.

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  #961827 6-Jan-2014 12:21
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Klipspringer: As far as I know bars are allowed to let in who they like, when they like,  and deny entry to anyone for any reason whats so ever.

"Right of admission reserved" means exactly what it says. It does not mean that you need to be supplied with a valid reason as to why you cannot enter.

Its a pity that this Indian guy had to pull the race card. I doubt its race related.


Incorrect, racial bias is not permitted. And of course racism never happens 




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