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Topic # 143839 29-Apr-2014 10:29
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Given the recent conversations and legislation regarding the legal highs, and given how well "Vaping" (E-Cigarettes \ Vaporisors) has taken off in the states, why isn't it more of a thing in NZ? 

Given that it's not technically smoking, is it permitted indoors - other than the fact that clouds of vapour are still annoying to those nearby.

I've no interest in the product myself, seems like an interesting solution to an existing "problem" that may in turn become a problem itself as it sounds like it's becoming state-side. Does NZ have any regulation on the things, are they classified as a "legal high", or are they an entirely different beast?

It seems to be being used heavily by the usual assortment of fad-followers and D-Bags, but also by plenty of people legitimately looking for a less-harmful alternative to the 'real thing'.

A recent article on the USA situation:

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/27/business/e-cigarettes-take-hold-in-oklahoma.html





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  Reply # 1033037 29-Apr-2014 10:35
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I have seen people using them indoors/in public areas. It looks weird  and made me double-take.

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  Reply # 1033056 29-Apr-2014 10:44
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Nice for existing users that it reduces the harm of smoking cigarettes and provides some opportunity to quit that part of it. Is the nicotine consumption harmful in any way without the smoking?


 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 1033065 29-Apr-2014 10:50
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gzt: Nice for existing users that it reduces the harm of smoking cigarettes and provides some opportunity to quit that part of it. Is the nicotine consumption harmful in any way without the smoking?



Most information I have seen suggests no not especially , no more so than caffeine etc.





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  Reply # 1033086 29-Apr-2014 11:00
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Already banned in many countries. The US FDA is investigating restrictions etc. These should be restricted in NZ the same as tobacco products.




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  Reply # 1033093 29-Apr-2014 11:11
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Genuine question. Other than because it is addictive and unnecessary - what are the reasons for the bans and the case for restrictions?

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  Reply # 1033105 29-Apr-2014 11:30
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KiwiNZ: Already banned in many countries. The US FDA is investigating restrictions etc. These should be restricted in NZ the same as tobacco products.


banned based on what exactly




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  Reply # 1033107 29-Apr-2014 11:33
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jeffnz:
KiwiNZ: Already banned in many countries. The US FDA is investigating restrictions etc. These should be restricted in NZ the same as tobacco products.


banned based on what exactly


Have a read here...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaping




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  Reply # 1033108 29-Apr-2014 11:36
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I am a regular vapor used it to give up smoking over a year ago now.
I can understand the concerns people have as it is highly addictive due to the nicotine in it. However it feels alot better than smoking I got back my sense of taste and smell with in days of vaping.

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  Reply # 1033109 29-Apr-2014 11:37
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Kinda ironic since many users step down the nicotine levels and eventually go nicotine free. They haven't taken off in NZ because the nicotine fluid was deemed by MedSafe to be a medicine. I had to import mine until i had stepped down the dose to zero

The ban's being put in place are not so much complete bans but the classification of them as nicotine products and banning the sale to minors and enforcing current ciggie rules 




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  Reply # 1033110 29-Apr-2014 11:41
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KiwiNZ:
jeffnz:
KiwiNZ: Already banned in many countries. The US FDA is investigating restrictions etc. These should be restricted in NZ the same as tobacco products.


banned based on what exactly


Have a read here...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaping

Thanks for that. It looks like accuracy and variability of the actual dose delivered by any given device is one of the main issues. Unintentional high doses appear to be a risk at present. Equally concerning it appears there are no formal age restrictions on the sale of the products at present. That is a very serious issue.

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  Reply # 1033121 29-Apr-2014 12:22
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Most people that vape on a regular basis mix their own. The only issues found so far are in pre-made cartridges... the crap you get from a servo.
I smoked for 30 years and was able to stop because of vaping. I'm allergic to patches and the gum made me sick.
My nicotine level is now about 1mg.
And just remember, every time you walk by or talk to a person, you're inhaling something that came out of their lungs.
Banning things because they don't effect you, and you don't like it, is pathetic.
And if we're going to start banning things that way, I want bicycles banned.

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  Reply # 1033123 29-Apr-2014 12:29
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blakamin: Most people that vape on a regular basis mix their own. The only issues found so far are in pre-made cartridges... the crap you get from a servo.
I smoked for 30 years and was able to stop because of vaping. I'm allergic to patches and the gum made me sick.
My nicotine level is now about 1mg.
And just remember, every time you walk by or talk to a person, you're inhaling something that came out of their lungs.
Banning things because they don't effect you, and you don't like it, is pathetic.
And if we're going to start banning things that way, I want bicycles banned.


I don't think banning is needed, I would like to see regulation for safety standards and the same restrictions as for smoking.




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  Reply # 1033259 29-Apr-2014 17:08
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stevenz: Given that it's not technically smoking, is it permitted indoors - other than the fact that clouds of vapour are still annoying to those nearby.


How is it annoying?  I've never see a cloud of vapour, it dissipates almost instantly.

I regularly sit next to my brother in law who uses a vapouriser - would I sit next to him if he was smoking? Doubt it.




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  Reply # 1033280 29-Apr-2014 17:28
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While the FDA et al decide on the physical side effects, one of the big reasons for the push to ban them is the de-normalisation of smoking itself. This is, to my mind, an important issue.

As someone said earlier in the thread, seeing someone smoking/vaping inside is now a surprise - it wasn't that long ago it was commonplace.

 

The more we make smoking non-standard, the less likely new smokers are to join in (and get hooked) and ultimately it becomes that thing those poor addicted folk have to do outside in the cold and rain.

The tobacco lobby spent a lot of money putting cigarettes into movies and TV, even before the bans on advertising started. There's a reason for that - to glamorise it, but more importantly to normalise it. This is what everyone does, rightly or wrongly. 

 

I can see the benefits to smokers in coming off cigarettes but the downside is we return to a standard where it's normal to see people doing this inside. That will help stunt (ha) the drop in smoking figures.

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  Reply # 1033303 29-Apr-2014 17:53
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From a non-smoking standpoint..

I'm for vaping in general, less long term health issues for our medical system and no danger to people via second hand smoke.

Restricting nicotine levels in them won't do much, people will import/mix their own etc much like any x pack a day smoker will just buy more to meet their needs. I'm all for the same regulations as the cig industry in terms of advertising to minors etc however.

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