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Topic # 144276 13-May-2014 13:00
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Is Green the new Red

It occurred to me, most of the Green Party policies are very communist in nature.
They promote:
- Community transport, e.g. buses over fuel efficient private vehicles
- Community vege gardens
- No anti state asset sales
- Funny money policies, remember their print money scheme
- High density living  = faceless uniform apartments
- State subsidies of all kinds

https://www.greens.org.nz/policy/full


What do you think?

I'd prefer they focused on policies such as:
- reduced packaging for goods
- encourage holidays in NZ and not overseas, etc

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  Reply # 1042992 13-May-2014 13:11
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- encourage holidays in NZ and not overseas, etc

Just build a wall around the country and don't let anyone but the elite out.

Maybe we could build our own "peoples car" that is all electric. mmm I wonder if forums like this will still be allowed under comrade Norman :-)




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  Reply # 1043007 13-May-2014 13:19
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really?
- Community transport, e.g. buses over fuel efficient private vehicles
  Public transport is more effecient if in high use. A train full of people will use less energy than the most fuel effient stuck in traffic jams. Most efficient cities around the world have good public transport for peak hours.
- Community vege gardens
 Working in conjunction with higher density housing, not compulsory
- No anti state asset sales
 Most of the ones worth selling off are making a good profit (offset taxes)
- Funny money policies, remember their print money scheme
 What America calls "quantitative easing" they are only now just starting to slow down on this. on tool many countries use not one I like.
- High density living  = faceless uniform apartments
 Does not have to be "faceless uniform apartments". Current subdivisions are pretty ugly now, rather live in a nice appartment than some of these subdivision.
- State subsidies of all kinds
All governments have subisdies to drive the economy in the a government wants, (irragation schemes around the country are getting subsidies at the moment)

Don't get me wrong I don't like a lot of their policies and wont be voting for them, but short sighted comments like this are really short sighted

 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 1043010 13-May-2014 13:23
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They are pretty far out on the left border. I'm pretty sure Labour wants nothing to do with them (Winston won't go into a coalition with Labour if the Greens are there, but do you trust WInny?). Labour may have no choice however, and the Greens and Winny will be king makers at this years election. Watch for some whacky Far Left policies from the Greens getting some traction.

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  Reply # 1043011 13-May-2014 13:27
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Ok I'll bite (on a couple of points).

 


High density housing does not have to be ugly. However around here no one forces you to buy (or rent) ugly buildings. Personally some of the standalone housing we have is ugly but there are some nasty blocks of flats out there too. It also enables less investment in hidden infrastructure such as power and water as you don't need to spend 1000's on connecting only one McMansion when you can get many flats built.

Public transit - We've had around 60 years no almost no investment in anything that is not car based. We have a number of good urban centres that are ideal for public transit and there are few alternatives to car based solutions out there at the moment. The irony is that when it is built here, it is used. If you get more people off the roads, those that want to be the traffic congestion can maybe have slightly less single occupancy vehicles around them.



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  Reply # 1043012 13-May-2014 13:27
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The greens cover a lot of ground. Some of their ideas good in theory.

I don't think you could remotely call them communist.

Certainly co-leader Dr Norman's influence seems to be swinging policy further to the socialist left, away from blue green, more to the watermelon end of things.

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  Reply # 1043016 13-May-2014 13:31
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  Reply # 1043017 13-May-2014 13:34
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trig42: They are pretty far out on the left border. I'm pretty sure Labour wants nothing to do with them (Winston won't go into a coalition with Labour if the Greens are there, but do you trust WInny?). Labour may have no choice however, and the Greens and Winny will be king makers at this years election. Watch for some whacky Far Left policies from the Greens getting some traction.


Well, to be fair, Labour isn't very red these days. More violet than anything. National are tinging the same way. If you want to vote red, you have to vote green.




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  Reply # 1043018 13-May-2014 13:34
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Socialism is not communism.



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  Reply # 1043020 13-May-2014 13:37
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I havent heard of funny bot? is this unusual?



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I havent heard of funny bot? is this unusual?

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Reply # 1043027 13-May-2014 13:52
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geekiegeek: - encourage holidays in NZ and not overseas, etc

Just build a wall around the country and don't let anyone but the elite out.

Maybe we could build our own "peoples car" that is all electric. mmm I wonder if forums like this will still be allowed under comrade Norman :-)


Electric Trabants for all! (3 year waiting list). Yes the only way in and out of NZ could be Check Point Trev. 

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  Reply # 1043029 13-May-2014 13:54
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I've personally referred to the green party as communists, and see no reason to not continue that.











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  Reply # 1043031 13-May-2014 13:56
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People just have no clue what really constitutes left and right these days do they?

We have a democratic american president who has enacted many policies more right than even Reagan, and yet is called a "soft", "extreme leftie" by the current political right. You have what is in reality a fairly centrist Greens party here getting called "whacky extreme left", largely on the basis that our major parties have drifted towards centrism.






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  Reply # 1043033 13-May-2014 14:00
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The strange side of my family are green party members and what not in Whangarei.
I wouldnt ever vote for them. Ever..

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  Reply # 1043035 13-May-2014 14:10
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Communist? .... No




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