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I was browsing news items on RNZ and bumped into one I had not yet heard about. Apparently some ‘celebrities’ in Britain were involved in a steamy sex scandal. However, these were consenting adults and nothing illegal happened. What made the story into international news was the fact that the celebrities involved obtained an extremely strict injunction banning publication of any details in England and Wales. The injunction has no authority anywhere else but media in many countries, including here, are tiptoeing around it anyway. In spite of that, the likely identities of those involved are all over the Internet. It took me about 10 minutes to find them. I don’t see how it is possible that they will be kept ‘secret’ much longer. Yet many news organisations, including those not bound by the injunction, are carefully avoiding publication of any details.

 

Now that I know who the parties probably are, I actually wish I didn’t. I feel sorry for one of them in particular, though all the gory details are not yet known. I do wonder about the role of the news media in this, though. They are clearly itching to shout it out to the world, but it is equally clear that they don’t dare. So instead they resort to dishonest tactics by dropping hints and proclaiming ‘I know something you don’t and I’m not going to tell you but you would be really shocked if I did’. I particularly detest this kind of craven journalism and I am disappointed that RNZ, whom I hold in high regard, are guilty of it. Either they should report the full story as it is known, or they should say nothing. What they did say was more than enough to make me and anyone else who sees the item aware of it, and able to discover the details, so what point is served by such squeamishness? I personally feel it would have been better if they had said nothing at all and just waited until the story came out as it certainly will.

 

 





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  #1534471 17-Apr-2016 17:40
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Those court secrecy rulings are stupid in this modern Internet age

Celebrity happy to have media with them on the way up should be happy to have them on the way down too




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  #1534510 17-Apr-2016 18:29
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I feel a song coming on . And in time, the story will just flicker out ...... like a candle in the wind!


 
 
 
 


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  #1534621 17-Apr-2016 22:21
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nathan: Those court secrecy rulings are stupid in this modern Internet age

Celebrity happy to have media with them on the way up should be happy to have them on the way down too

 

 

 

Even more stupid was the fact that it was freely published in a print newspaper in Scotland...!






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  #1534635 17-Apr-2016 22:45
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wilde: There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about.

 

 


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  #1534665 18-Apr-2016 07:04
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Rikkitic:

 

...resort to dishonest tactics by dropping hints and proclaiming ‘I know something you don’t and I’m not going to tell you but you would be really shocked if I did’. I particularly detest this kind of craven journalism

 

I could say exactly the same about your post.

 

 


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  #1534683 18-Apr-2016 08:33
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Stories like this are less riveting than a Unix manual and less informative than a personalized number plate.

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I don't really understand why the overseas media (e.g. in NZ) are not publishing the names.  They are not bound by British law.  What's up?


 
 
 
 


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  #1534694 18-Apr-2016 09:09
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frankv:

 

Rikkitic:

 

...resort to dishonest tactics by dropping hints and proclaiming ‘I know something you don’t and I’m not going to tell you but you would be really shocked if I did’. I particularly detest this kind of craven journalism

 

I could say exactly the same about your post.

 

 

 

 

I am aware of that but I am not a publisher or a news organisation or even a journalist any longer. My criticism is of media that employ this kind of tabloid tactic. If they don't have the stomach to give the whole story, they are better not mentioning it at all. There is no legal restriction on them doing so, just their own self-censorship. I don't care about the details of this particular story, but it does make me wonder how much confidence I can have in the reporting of other stories that  might actually matter. Some could argue that this is a matter of taste, but then again, it would be better just not to mention it at all, at least until the full details emerge. As it stands, some unknown journalist or 'manager' or the tea lady is making decisions about what readers should be allowed to know. That is what I object to. As to those who just want to know the prurient details, there is the Internet.

 

 





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  #1534695 18-Apr-2016 09:11
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jmh:

 

I don't really understand why the overseas media (e.g. in NZ) are not publishing the names.  They are not bound by British law.  What's up?

 

 

That's my whole point.

 

 





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  #1534697 18-Apr-2016 09:17
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Rikkitic:

 

That's my whole point.

 

 

When they are all owned by overseas companies, I guess they just want to play it safe over what is a minor article that would not get them a huge amount of ad revenue compared to the risk.





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  #1535479 19-Apr-2016 11:45
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I don't know whether it's sadder that this information is published or that people read it.





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  #1535530 19-Apr-2016 12:27
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The sad thing is that people want to read it. I think both producers and consumers of this kind of thing have a certain responsibility, but my gripe is still about media that talk about something like this in hushed tones without actually saying what it is about, thus making people wonder what is up while at the same time avoiding any responsibility for spreading the gossip. I find this hypocritical and cowardly. Not everything that individuals get up to has to be reported, so why mention it at all?

 

And yes, that is also exactly what I did. I couldn't think of any other way to explain why I was bothered by it. I still think there is a difference when mass media do this.

 

 





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  #1535692 19-Apr-2016 15:24
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I looked at the RNZ site did not find it.

It is worth RNZ reporting the story of the story because it is a press freedom issue to some degree and those can be important.

The original item was from National Enquirer USA. I assume one party talked directly with the paper. Presumably there was some kind of breakup or other event precipitating that.

I thought this was going to be something really bad. In fact it is utterly trivial and just a minor celebrity gossip about the partner of a celebrity. The actual celebrity is on past record as acknowledging some level of open relationship so it is not even the story of an affair really.

There is a minor public interest angle because the partner is head of an aids charity and is said by that former partner to have had unprotected sex but I doubt that any public interest angle occurred to National Enquirer when considering the story for publication. It is just a celebrity related story.

What were the grounds for granting an injunction against publication of this story in the UK?

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jmh:

 

I don't really understand why the overseas media (e.g. in NZ) are not publishing the names.  They are not bound by British law.  What's up?

 

 

 

 

It's been published in Scotland, USA and Canada and probably some more I have not heard about - plus all over 'social media' apparently.






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gzt: I looked at the RNZ site did not find it.

It is worth RNZ reporting the story of the story because it is a press freedom issue to some degree and those can be important.

The original item was from National Enquirer USA. I assume one party talked directly with the paper. Presumably there was some kind of breakup or other event precipitating that.

I thought this was going to be something really bad. In fact it is utterly trivial and just a minor celebrity gossip about the partner of a celebrity. The actual celebrity is on past record as acknowledging some level of open relationship so it is not even the story of an affair really.

There is a minor public interest angle because the partner is head of an aids charity and is said by that former partner to have had unprotected sex but I doubt that any public interest angle occurred to National Enquirer when considering the story for publication. It is just a celebrity related story.

What were the grounds for granting an injunction against publication of this story in the UK?

 

These injunctions often prevent press reporting of their existence, never mind the reasons for them.

 

I did read somewhere that it related to trying to prevent children from finding out.

 

What's official GZ policy about this sort of thing?






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