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richgamer

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#20349 22-Mar-2008 17:18

now that the party pills with bzp are banned from april 1st what are some alternatives? are the shops stocking herbal party pills yet because the shop i went to doesn't have any herbal ones yet.
i was watching the news yesterday and a police women said she's glad party pills are going to be banned soon. i think she was misinformed because only bzp party pills are being banned.

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johnr

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#118091 22-Mar-2008 20:06

I would not waste $$ on any pills!!

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#118102 22-Mar-2008 20:39

you're better off emailing or calling Cosmic Corner or something, probably won't get many responses in here.

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#118105 22-Mar-2008 20:47

johnr: I would not waste on $$ on any pills!!

Same here.

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#118114 22-Mar-2008 21:41

richgamer: now that the party pills with bzp are banned from april 1st what are some alternatives? are the shops stocking herbal party pills yet because the shop i went to doesn't have any herbal ones yet.
i was watching the news yesterday and a police women said she's glad party pills are going to be banned soon. i think she was misinformed because only bzp party pills are being banned.

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mobygeek

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#118118 22-Mar-2008 21:46

Learn to have fun without artificial highs?

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#118140 23-Mar-2008 03:43

Have you tried Cattle drench from your local farm supplier?

gomez

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#118233 23-Mar-2008 14:32

Does reality suck that much that people have to ingest chemicals to make it seem better? (Although people with depression who require certain LEGAL drugs get my sympathy)

What is wrong with society today?

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#118242 23-Mar-2008 15:06

i don't understand society nowadays
- 18 year olds are going to drink anyway, why not lower the drinking age - 2 years later umm that was a mistake as now 10 year olds are drunk
- people abuse their kids so why don't we criminalise every teacher, and now parent from touching children
- people are going to take party pills anyway, illegalising them will drive them underground - why don't we legalise murder as people are going to kill anyway?

well, now that i've opened a whole can of worms i'd better go hide somewhere far far away ...

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#118248 23-Mar-2008 16:39

Well this is where common sense should come into play!

gomez

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#118253 23-Mar-2008 17:03

Commonsense is a good start, but it seems that there isn't enough commonsense within the Government to take more steps to prevent the sale of harmful drugs, and also to increase the legal drinking age.

As far as 'herbal alternatives' to party pills, the last time I checked marijuana is organic and grows (much the same as herbs), but it is illegal to cultivate and sell or be caught in possession. So wouldn't that almost put these 'herbal alternatives' to party pills in the same category as marijuana?

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#118254 23-Mar-2008 17:12

gomez:
What is wrong with society today?

It's got something to do with the current trend in society is to be anti-drug but the history of man as had him taking all kind of strange stuff. Was it less the 200 years when opium was a legit recreational drug. And where do you put you limits, coffee can deliver a pretty good hit, so can sugar. should these too go onto some list of good and bad.

Why should society state that one man can't do something he wants, isn't there the heart of creativity and the freedom of choice.

Just coz you don't like something, so stop other from trying something different, as different might be what that need to put any value into THEIR life.

joker97 :
- people abuse their kids so why don't we criminalise every teacher, and now parent from touching children

I recall seeing something about prisoners and how the lack of human touch/contact is part of this punishment.
Could this lack of contact cause the kids to harden up for dealing with jail, the crime trend is going to increase,
especially if the laws are going to chop and change.

I hear that ACT was handing out party pills with new membership. Was that such a bad cost, it got them front page media and there
own kind of grandstand.

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#118259 23-Mar-2008 19:22

Very interesting points and thoughts here. I would like to put this idea foward to you. In the 1970's people around the world said

Enough of this paternalistic type behaviour our doctors and nurses treat us with, we want to be fully informed and we want to make our own calculated choices.

The idea of autonomy was born. In the year 2008 you now have the right to choose or deny treatments and medications. You have the ability to think for yourself. That is your healthcare, when is the government going to balls up and stop dictating bad policy that dissociates the larger population from making their own fully informed choices!! Examples of bad policy in my mind include

- Smacking children policy
- BZP banning policy (its too slow, education is faster; new drugs (substances) will become available)

There are many other bad policies that have come into action over the last few years; I for one am sick of it!

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#118266 23-Mar-2008 20:01

What people do to themselves is their business.

What I object as a citizen and tax payer is when:

They require additional treatment from the public healthcare system caused by their 'informed' decision to smoke, drink excessively, or dabble with party pills.
Their 'informed' decisions often destroying families or causing abuse. Look at smoking (cancer, other diseases) or drinking abuse (can escalate into domestic violence in some cases).
They take other people out with them. For instance, drunk drivers crashing into innocent motorists and passengers, or members of the public minding their own business.*

* Yes, the people are remorseful after they've ruined some life's, but really - is it that hard just to hail a taxi, stand the night, just NOT get behind the wheel.

So in summary, I don't want my tax dollars wasted treating those who are downing untested pills nor do I want to see innocent family members or members of the public affected.

On a side note, the 'informed decisions' discussed often are the result of peer pressure and social environments, rather than research into the party pills etc. I guess you could say that a lot of smokers had informed decisions to, when the manufactures tried to hide that it didn't cause cancer.....

Going on topic:

I don't believe legalising stuff 'just because xx year olds will get it anyway' is a valid argument. Otherwise, we would have repelled Primary school, High school and university by now.
I do believe that 'party pills' and similar drugs should be subjected to the same testing standards that modern day medicine is. 'Dietary supplement' categories are a cop out.
I do believe that education and social change will be a key thing for our youths welfare.
I do believe that the party pill 'ban' was the right thing to do.

People should look at what BZP is, and what it potentially can do. It is fairly damning with some retailers marketing BZP as 'herbal' or 'natural' while clearly it is not.

At the end of the day, would you rather trust an independent stringent batch of tests confirming its safety, or would you rather trust an 'used car salesman' of people who clearly has a vested interest in getting you hooked on those pills.

I cannot stress enough: if you are going to take party pills - do your research first. Don't just take them because of peer pressure or because of their labeling. The same with drinking or any other recreation drugs (also make sure that they are legal!)....don't get into the drivers seat of a car. The last thing that I want to see is yet another accident caused by someone ignoring road rules or veering into the path of another car!

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#118273 23-Mar-2008 21:23

Thanks, Cokemaster, that was good. I agree. Especially about the difference between informed choice and peer pressure.

One thing I can't understand on the drugs issue is why the government does it's best to prevent usage, and then goes on to encourage sex. Same difference, isn't it? We have babies being murdered by people who should never have been their parents.

I don't like to see the 'victims' of premarital sex being dragged from one defacto relationship to another. I don't like to see the hurt young girls suffer when they lose a child, or their mothers take control of their babies, and then kick the girls out. It happens. Mobile phone shops are great places to talk to teens, who are 'just looking'.

Isn't that why we have something called 'Society'? To protect the vulnerable with laws that some would question and defy?

So, when will the next party pills be out?

Someone somewhere will want to damage something sometime... Even maybe themselves...

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#118274 23-Mar-2008 21:40

what a different direction this thread has taken and i must say i'm glad there are geeks out there who actually care!

you know i think NZ society has deteriorated unsurmountably in the last decade or so - now we have random assault +/- killing, drunk drivers doing 2nd degree murder, living mistakes (unwanted pregnancies) who miss out on proper nurture and end up on the wrong side of the law and anthropological rainbow; etc etc

i think the government really should do something about the importance of good family sense to re-shape society ... well maybe people just don't care but it (all these) scare(s) the daylight out of me!

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