US Navy destroyer collides with merchant vessel

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Topic # 215225 17-Jun-2017 21:51

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How the hell could this happen let alone to a fully kitted out destroyer. Opps didn't see you coming even though you are twice as big as us and can probably only go half our speed and maneuverability. Even if the container ship was in the wrong the destroyer should have been able to avoid it I mean come on, going to be some red faces in the Navy over this one.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/93793791/ships-commander-one-of-two-injured-after-us-navy-destroyer-collides-with-merchant-vessel

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Reply # 1802821 17-Jun-2017 22:08

Rules of the water basically state that the bigger less maneuverable vessel has right of way.

Appropriate I think.

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Reply # 1802824 17-Jun-2017 22:12

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Crap better not be the USS Michael Murphy.

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Reply # 1802825 17-Jun-2017 22:17

andrewNZ: Rules of the water basically state that the bigger less maneuverable vessel has right of way.

IRPCS say a lot of things but not that.

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Reply # 1802848 17-Jun-2017 23:25

Guessing that not much was learned from the Halifax Explosion.

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Reply # 1802859 18-Jun-2017 08:36

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Virtually no info known and way too early to even begin to comment on this.

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Reply # 1802860 18-Jun-2017 08:38

Mspec:

How the hell could this happen let alone to a fully kitted out destroyer. Opps didn't see you coming even though you are twice as big as us and can probably only go half our speed and maneuverability. Even if the container ship was in the wrong the destroyer should have been able to avoid it I mean come on, going to be some red faces in the Navy over this one.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/93793791/ships-commander-one-of-two-injured-after-us-navy-destroyer-collides-with-merchant-vessel

Very very bizarre. I assume those piloting the ship could see ships lights, and there are avoidance systems or at least traffic in the area radar? For both ships. Is there such a thing as a simple "flight plan" to be aware of expected traffic? While one ship must be in the wrong, the other gas to be as well, its not like the closing speed makes it unavoidable

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Reply # 1802861 18-Jun-2017 08:41

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Ships are not like cars, they are slow to turn and slow to stop

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Reply # 1802862 18-Jun-2017 08:42

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michaelmurfy: Crap better not be the USS Michael Murphy.

Nope - USS Fitzgerald - you're safe :-)

MikeB4: Virtually no info known and way too early to even begin to comment on this.

Rubbish, it's never too early to comment on anything.

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Reply # 1802863 18-Jun-2017 08:46

Dratsab:
michaelmurfy: Crap better not be the USS Michael Murphy.

Nope - USS Fitzgerald - you're safe :-)

MikeB4: Virtually no info known and way too early to even begin to comment on this.

Rubbish, it's never too early to comment on anything.

Ok what was the weather? what were their bearings? What were their speeds? What were their mechanical conditions? Who was on the bridges? Like I said virtually zero is known.

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Reply # 1802865 18-Jun-2017 08:51

MikeB4: Ships are not like cars, they are slow to turn and slow to stop

And slow to close on each other.

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Reply # 1802867 18-Jun-2017 08:53

MikeB4:
Dratsab:

michaelmurfy: Crap better not be the USS Michael Murphy.

Nope - USS Fitzgerald - you're safe :-)

MikeB4: Virtually no info known and way too early to even begin to comment on this.

Rubbish, it's never too early to comment on anything.

Ok what was the weather? what were their bearings? What were their speeds? What were their mechanical conditions? Who was on the bridges? Like I said virtually zero is known.

It was about 2am, and going by the damage they seem to have glanced at each other. Other than that, like you say, no more info, but even so. Both ships seem to have no idea about the other, or if one was uncontrollable, the other didn't know it was there.

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Reply # 1802868 18-Jun-2017 08:57

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MikeB4: Ok what was the weather? what were their bearings? What were their speeds? What were their mechanical conditions? Who was on the bridges? Like I said virtually zero is known.

How is "virtually zero known" relevant at this stage? What's wrong with discussions which draw in information? Why do you assume it's not common knowledge ships are big and, in the scheme of things, not highly maneuverable? Why don't you like people discussing matters? Why do you constantly want to shut down threads?

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Reply # 1802872 18-Jun-2017 09:11

Dratsab:

MikeB4: Ok what was the weather? what were their bearings? What were their speeds? What were their mechanical conditions? Who was on the bridges? Like I said virtually zero is known.

How is "virtually zero known" relevant at this stage? What's wrong with discussions which draw in information? Why do you assume it's not common knowledge ships are big and, in the scheme of things, not highly maneuverable? Why don't you like people discussing matters? Why do you constantly want to shut down threads?

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Oh, and I nearly forgot to roll this out: Kia kaha. My thoughts and prayers are with all those affected by this tragedy.

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Reply # 1802877 18-Jun-2017 09:26

BBC article which has some interesting maps showing the route of ACX Crystal at the time of the collision. The tracks for this particular point in time are no longer available on marinetraffic.com which I'm assuming is down to storage decisions based on the sheer volume of data constantly flowing into the site.

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Reply # 1802879 18-Jun-2017 09:32

tdgeek:

MikeB4: Ships are not like cars, they are slow to turn and slow to stop

And slow to close on each other.

Unless you're in a ship depot when you're always closing onto something, no matter how slow, it's going to hit something eventually.

My guess is assuming not human error, there was a jammed engine or rudder.

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