Atmospheric CO2 now 410 parts per million. Uh oh.....

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#233714 29-Apr-2018 13:42

This isn't good. Sure...the full effects will take a decade or two to be realised....but it will be much like those videos of the Japanese tsunami in 2011.......at first an apparently small change....followed by a force that sweeps all before it.

Amazing to think we were warned about this for over 30 years and we've been thoughtless and selfish and let it happen.

...and it's still climbing.

If we had any sense we'd at least park the dino-burners right now...and take a bus or ride a bike.....and eat less meat to reduce emissions from that sector.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/we-just-breached-the-410-ppm-threshold-for-co2/

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#2004568 29-Apr-2018 14:32

Very much so. We see it locally, the Barrier Reef coral is dying. We used to get wild weather with big gaps. Now its a few times a year. Cyclonic weather in AKL? Rain rain and more rain. Lovely warm Summer. I have a few Rhodo's here. One larger one decided to flower three weeks ago. Out each one came, then soon died off. Same time I spotted two blossoms on two of our fruit trees. Parts of the Tasman Sea was up to 6C warmer.

Expect more wet weather as warmer temps = more moisture, expect warmer summers, winter, who knows. Some may get mild, some may get colder depends where you sit in the weather pattern.

Electricity wise, it may be that Summer becomes a problem. Dry. Winter may be more of a problem power usage wise, while it may snow more than rain for the lakes. Too cold a winter may cause very little rain in the alps and a lower thaw? Who knows

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#2004577 29-Apr-2018 15:10

But those SUVs are so cool. And public transport is so lame. And it sounds so sexy when I rev it. And the smell of leather and bass sounds pumping out the speakers make me feel important while I am stuck waiting in traffic. Surely my little old 6 litre oil burner won't make that much of a difference to the climate? It is just one vehicle. Why should I have to give up my comforts when everyone else has theirs? And so on.

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#2004606 29-Apr-2018 16:44

Should be good for the plant life.

To be honest I wouldn't take as gospel everything posted on that website. Many of the headlines read just like click bait. Even the article linked in the first post was lacking any substance as to what the numbers really mean.

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#2004632 29-Apr-2018 17:47

Rikkitic: But those SUVs are so cool. And public transport is so lame. And it sounds so sexy when I rev it. And the smell of leather and bass sounds pumping out the speakers make me feel important while I am stuck waiting in traffic. Surely my little old 6 litre oil burner won't make that much of a difference to the climate? It is just one vehicle. Why should I have to give up my comforts when everyone else has theirs? And so on.

Kids will be kids. Everyone else needs to grow up ; ).

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#2004633 29-Apr-2018 17:49

Linuxluver: Atmospheric CO2 now 410 parts per million. Uh oh.....

Is that faster than expected?

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#2004634 29-Apr-2018 17:54

Rikkitic:

But those SUVs are so cool. And public transport is so lame. And it sounds so sexy when I rev it. And the smell of leather and bass sounds pumping out the speakers make me feel important while I am stuck waiting in traffic. Surely my little old 6 litre oil burner won't make that much of a difference to the climate? It is just one vehicle. Why should I have to give up my comforts when everyone else has theirs? And so on.

Oh good grief! Stereotype much?!

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#2004644 29-Apr-2018 18:21

networkn:

Oh good grief! Stereotype much?!

SUV owner much?

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#2004647 29-Apr-2018 18:28

gzt:
Linuxluver: Atmospheric CO2 now 410 parts per million. Uh oh.....

Is that faster than expected?

No. They predicted March or at least April, so as estimated. Too late now in any case, its a matter of managing the higher temps and sea level. By continuing the slow level of human change, that will help push out the speed of change.

Carbon dioxide hasn’t reached that height in millions of years.

It stood at 280 ppm when record keeping began at Mauna Loa in 1958. In 2013, it passed 400 ppm.

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#2004665 29-Apr-2018 18:53

Linuxluver:

This isn't good. Sure...the full effects will take a decade or two to be realised....but it will be much like those videos of the Japanese tsunami in 2011.......at first an apparently small change....followed by a force that sweeps all before it.

Amazing to think we were warned about this for over 30 years and we've been thoughtless and selfish and let it happen.

...and it's still climbing.

If we had any sense we'd at least park the dino-burners right now...and take a bus or ride a bike.....and eat less meat to reduce emissions from that sector.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/we-just-breached-the-410-ppm-threshold-for-co2/

How many times do people need to understand, it is not the car that gives out all the CO2.

- the airplanes carrying tourists, relatives but mainly business people

- the sea cargo carrying your new TVs and new timber for your dinner table

- the air cargo carrying you new iphone, ipad, iwatch, imac, i junks

- factories producing your next ijunk, food, drinks - just look at the packaging they use for a start

- rockets sending old teslas to mars

- diplomatic travel

- the cows producing your beef and milk

- the hotels, restaurants, hospitals, any commercial undertaking (look at the stuff they buy and throw away)

- the bottomline - existence of people.*

*is there a graph comparing global population to this co2 rise?

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#2004692 29-Apr-2018 19:59

Rikkitic:
networkn:

Oh good grief! Stereotype much?!

SUV owner much?

You're also missing that technology develops and there are already hybrid mass market SUV available. As long as demand exists for SUV they will keep on making them. At some point they will be 100% electric and outperform any diesel or petrol alternative.

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#2004693 29-Apr-2018 20:01

Batman:

How many times do people need to understand, it is not the car that gives out all the CO2.

- the airplanes carrying tourists, relatives but mainly business people

- the sea cargo carrying your new TVs and new timber for your dinner table

- the air cargo carrying you new iphone, ipad, iwatch, imac, i junks

- factories producing your next ijunk, food, drinks - just look at the packaging they use for a start

- rockets sending old teslas to mars

- diplomatic travel

- the cows producing your beef and milk

- the hotels, restaurants, hospitals, any commercial undertaking (look at the stuff they buy and throw away)

- the bottomline - existence of people.*

*is there a graph comparing global population to this co2 rise?

You forgot - climate scientists and lefty politicians flying to climate conferences to re-state how stuffed we are if people don't stop flying to places.

Actually - now that the "science is settled", why do we even need climate scientists? And how much CO2 is produced powering the supercomputers running all the climate models?

I've switched to a much more economical, but still "reasonably fast" car, I'm doing my bit

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#2004720 29-Apr-2018 20:45

Rikkitic:

networkn:

Oh good grief! Stereotype much?!

SUV owner much?

Nope. Try again!

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#2004721 29-Apr-2018 20:47

If you don't know how to swim, you are about to learn, and if you don't, more food for me! :)

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#2004722 29-Apr-2018 20:49

Rikkitic:

But those SUVs are so cool. And public transport is so lame. And it sounds so sexy when I rev it. And the smell of leather and bass sounds pumping out the speakers make me feel important while I am stuck waiting in traffic. Surely my little old 6 litre oil burner won't make that much of a difference to the climate? It is just one vehicle. Why should I have to give up my comforts when everyone else has theirs? And so on.

SUV owner here. You were bang on with the "6 litre" guess, it's uncanny! Six litres is my average amount of petrol used each month since buying it, at a fuel economy of 0.5 L/100km. (Plus about a dollar of electricity top-up most nights.)

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#2004725 29-Apr-2018 20:55

shk292:

Batman:

How many times do people need to understand, it is not the car that gives out all the CO2.

- the airplanes carrying tourists, relatives but mainly business people

- the sea cargo carrying your new TVs and new timber for your dinner table

- the air cargo carrying you new iphone, ipad, iwatch, imac, i junks

- factories producing your next ijunk, food, drinks - just look at the packaging they use for a start

- rockets sending old teslas to mars

- diplomatic travel

- the cows producing your beef and milk

- the hotels, restaurants, hospitals, any commercial undertaking (look at the stuff they buy and throw away)

- the bottomline - existence of people.*

*is there a graph comparing global population to this co2 rise?

You forgot - climate scientists and lefty politicians flying to climate conferences to re-state how stuffed we are if people don't stop flying to places.

Actually - now that the "science is settled", why do we even need climate scientists? And how much CO2 is produced powering the supercomputers running all the climate models?

I've switched to a much more economical, but still "reasonably fast" car, I'm doing my bit

Notice how I dared not mention the coffee that flies around the world only to be mixed with a run of hot water, milk from methane farting cows that comes wrapped in plastic trucked across the country (or the soy or almond milk packaged and flown from around the world), and served in fancy non recyclable receptacles ...

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