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#299000 2-Aug-2022 12:19

The secretary-general of the United Nations has just issued a warning that the world is on the verge of nuclear annihilation. What would happen to us here if there was a major nuke exchange in Europe/America? Not total destruction, but substantial attacks on cities and military targets on both sides. How would that affect New Zealand? Radioactive cloud? Climate damage? Collateral effects of strikes on Australia? Would it become On the Beach here or could we get through it cockroach-fashion?

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#2949677 2-Aug-2022 12:23

Gee, the Secretary General warning of imminent doom/catastrophe/crisis. That’s unusual (/s).

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#2949678 2-Aug-2022 12:25

We would be ignored in the nuclear conflict itself, but the complete breakdown of international trade and commerce would mean the end of all exports and imported goods, along with all the industries and infrastructure that trade supports. We'd be going back to an agrarian society with no particular means to support millions of people in cities. Therefore mass breakdown of civilisation into anarchy and starvation.

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#2949681 2-Aug-2022 12:32

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#2949682 2-Aug-2022 12:34

Dingbatt:

Gee, the Secretary General warning of imminent doom/catastrophe/crisis. That’s unusual (/s).

Thanks but that wasn't the question.

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#2949683 2-Aug-2022 12:35

frankv:

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#2949686 2-Aug-2022 12:49

johno1234:

We would be ignored in the nuclear conflict itself, but the complete breakdown of international trade and commerce would mean the end of all exports and imported goods, along with all the industries and infrastructure that trade supports. We'd be going back to an agrarian society with no particular means to support millions of people in cities. Therefore mass breakdown of civilisation into anarchy and starvation.

Yep, this. Some things would keep going until the fuel ran out - e.g. the majority of fossil fueled vehicles because even if Marsden Point hadn't already been decommissioned, it never refined New Zealand oil anyway and without international imports of machinery we probably couldn't readily modify it to do so. Other services that rely primarily on pure electricity (e.g. communications) could keep running until the spare parts ran out and/or there was no way for people to get out to replace them (because they had no fuel).

So in a matter of weeks rather than months for all practical purposes the cities are starving to death because there is no way to transport food to them without fuel, and the farmers can't produce enough to feed them anyway without technology for fertilisers (which also rely on imports and/or petrochemical production) and irrigation (which will rely on power & spare parts).

Long story short, if there's a nuclear war on, book a one-way ticket for a holiday to a priority one target location. You'll be better off that way.

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#2949690 2-Aug-2022 13:08

johno1234:

We would be ignored in the nuclear conflict itself

We're a prime target to demonstrate nuclear willingness and capabilities. Nobody would miss a small nation in the South Pacific and which of our allies is going to risk a full-on nuclear attack in response?

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#2949692 2-Aug-2022 13:13

Nuclear War would force Earth into "Little Ice Age"

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#2949701 2-Aug-2022 13:34

This will all be news to Bulletin of Atomic Scientists.

Well Peter Thiel and all his friends would arrive in private jets to start the new world order.
Luckily we are here already to act as serfs for the new civilization.
Physical labor not being their thing.

New Zealand has other dangers.

North Island has lake Taupo that could take out civilization on North island, and make things very dodgy even in South Island.
South Island has the Alpine fault with potential to create massive disaster.

Much of our population and economy is on low lying, or low enough lying areas that have in distant past seen massive tidal waves.
We are also in fortunate situation that a massive meteor strike does not have to hit land to destroy us.
Any miss will be good enough.

So its pick your disaster really.

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#2949703 2-Aug-2022 13:38

SirHumphreyAppleby:

johno1234:

We would be ignored in the nuclear conflict itself

We're a prime target to demonstrate nuclear willingness and capabilities. Nobody would miss a small nation in the South Pacific and which of our allies is going to risk a full-on nuclear attack in response?

The benefit would be between zero and negligible and the cost would be uncountable, so yeah, nah. That ain't gonna happen.

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#2949711 2-Aug-2022 13:42

I’d suggest we promote the world map that had us located in the Indian Ocean.

Anyhow, we’ve been nuclear free since ages ago, so we’ll be all good.

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#2949712 2-Aug-2022 13:44

Rikkitic:

The secretary-general of the United Nations has just issued a warning that the world is on the verge of nuclear annihilation.

Of course he has,

There is currently a big nuclear non proliferation conference going on in NYC,

Its the "Review Conference of the Parties to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons"
https://press.un.org/en/2022/dc3845.doc.htm

Even little old NZ is there,
Statement to the 2022 Review Conference for the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons
HON PHIL TWYFORD

"Meanwhile, experts tell us the risk of nuclear weapon use has increased dramatically. So, too, have dangerous rhetoric and exercises threatening such use. "
https://www.beehive.govt.nz/speech/statement-2022-review-conference-treaty-non-proliferation-nuclear-weapons

It would be a bit surprising if they came out and said ,

"everything's perfectly all right now. We're fine. We're all fine here now, thank you. How are you?"

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#2949713 2-Aug-2022 13:45

Population goes homicidal shortly after coffee imports run out.........

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#2949715 2-Aug-2022 13:46

I feel like I have suddenly been transported back to the 1970s. What would have here? As I see it we would see 5 million plus Kiwis putting their heads between their legs and kissing their Butts goodbye.

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#2949720 2-Aug-2022 13:57

I "think" the atmosphere in the Northern hemisphere would largely stay up there

I don't buy the ice age story, there is plenty of natural and non natural smoke events occurring in any given year

Re the global economy, NZ would need to live with itself for a period, trade the iPhones (lack of supply) in for gardens, etc. Make do. Live with what we can make/grow ourselves. Local economy wise, hard to know

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