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#302625 7-Dec-2022 13:29
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With the second film in the Avatar franchise soon to be released in NZ theatres, I am wondering if it can possibly top the almost three billion dollars taken at the worldwide box office (including the recent re-release takings) of the original Avatar from 13 years ago. Has it been too long between drinks? We shall no doubt find out before the year ends.

 

James Cameron himself has stated that if the film doesn't take over two billion, he will consider it a fail, and would likely end the series after the third and fourth films, rather than six as originally planned.

 

Top Gun: Maverick is the highest grossing film of 2022 so far with a take of almost 1.5 billion dollars. Jurassic World: Dominion is the only other film this year to pass the one billion mark.

 

Following the World Premiere in London, reaction from the press is overwhelmingly positive.

 

This from Zack Sharf of Variety Magazine:-

 

After 13 years of anticipation, James Cameron’s “Avatar: The Way of Water” has finally been unveiled for members of the press following the movie’s world premiere in London. The first reactions to the film are overwhelmingly positive, with many journalists blown away once again by Cameron’s boundless imagination and pristine visual effects.

 

“Happy to say ‘Avatar: The Way of Water’ is phenomenal,” wrote Fandango’s Erik Davis. “Bigger, better & more emotional than ‘Avatar,’ the film is visually breathtaking, visceral and incredibly engrossing. The story, the spectacle, the spirituality, the beauty – this is moviemaking & storytelling at its absolute finest.”

 

The movie has been shot in 3D, and will probably be the way to see it in theatres. I'm excited for this one, and I might just make my first visit to a cinema in many years.

 

 

 

 

 





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  #3006867 7-Dec-2022 13:53
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"Avatar: The Way of Water Approved for Release in China"

 

https://movieweb.com/avatar-the-way-of-water-approved-release-china/

 

The original made about $250 m USD in China, so the hope is the sequel will also do well.... 

 

A big chunk of the box office will be a move to more expensive tickets, In the US average Ticket prices are up around 20% since the original.. + the move to "upsell" the film onto more expensive screens (IMAX etc)

 

It will be more interesting to see if it reaches the same number of Viewers.. 




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  #3007033 7-Dec-2022 19:05
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Never bothered with the first one. I don’t like films that preach.





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  #3007038 7-Dec-2022 19:24
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It will be more interesting to see if it reaches the same number of Viewers..

It's hard to imagine it can in the covid era. I've been to the movies only once since covid started. Had covid once and really have no idea where it came from. I really want to see this movie just not keen on sitting in a packed movie theatre. IMAX drive in please : ).

Realistically I'll wait for the end of the run or a quiet night and watch in a mostly empty theatre.



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  #3007116 7-Dec-2022 22:46
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Geektastic: Never bothered with the first one. I don’t like films that preach.

 

And? Nobody asked. I don't understand why you constantly have to enter threads to tell everyone how above the topic you are. It's really kind of annoying.

 

 

 

On the actual topic - I watched it, wasn't hugely enamoured of the plot since it was basically Pocahontas in space, but if you disconnected and just thought of it as light entertainment, it wasn't too bad. Probably wouldn't bother doing the whole 3D experience again though. And definitely wouldn't pay Event prices, at that point just watch it at home.


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  #3007209 8-Dec-2022 10:03
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We have the Bluray of Avatar in 3D. 

 

It's so much better to watch it that way. It adds depth, rather than the old "Jaws 3D" effects of everything being pointed at you, the viewer. 

 

I'm keen to see this, as I recently saw a long promo for it in 3D at the recent screening of Black Panther - Wakanda Never Again. 

 

It looks like Cameron has once again opted for depth and "realism" in the 3D effects he's used. It looks quite breathtaking and although the themes are quite tired, I love the SFX and the fact that you can almost believe that Pandora and big blue aliens are actually really there. 





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  #3007221 8-Dec-2022 10:32
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3D HFR too, first time I've seen that since The Hobbit trilogy, aside from a couple of Ang Lee films.  Hopefully Queensgate IMAX opens on schedule before Christmas so I can watch it there.


 
 
 

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  #3007278 8-Dec-2022 10:51
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I see they've finally released a retail version of the original movie on 3D Blu-Ray. When it was first released the 3D disc was only available as an exclusve deal with certain Panasonic TVs. They were quite the collectors item and commanded a hefty price when they rarely came up on auction sites.


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  #3007286 8-Dec-2022 11:24
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Alas, my only 3D-capable player no longer reads most discs, so that's probably a no-go. I've never actually seen Avatar in 3D.


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  #3007319 8-Dec-2022 12:44
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I saw the original Avatar at a 3D cinema in Christchurch. Later I bought a 3D/2D/DVD SteelBook release from Zavvi UK. I don't collect SteelBooks any longer, and I have upgraded my TV's, so I no longer have the ability to play 3D discs at home (though I have over 30 titles).

 

Here is a pic of the SteelBook from Zavvi UK.

 

     





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  #3007380 8-Dec-2022 14:41
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The audience/consumer rejected 3D, so it seems odd that he's going down that route again. Or it could be genius.... manufacturers stopped making 3D TVs years ago, so the only way to see it "as intended" will be in a theater. The original was one of the few movies that did 3D well.

 

HFR is another format that the audience rejected. Perhaps in 3D it will be amazing, but in 2D it somehow makes a film look cheap and uncinematic. I guess we'll have to wait and see.

 

Ultimately though I don't think it has a chance of doing $2 billion in theaters. The retrospective view that most people have of the original is less kind than it was at the time, and I don't think anyone has really been demanding an Avatar sequel (let alone a series).


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  #3007649 9-Dec-2022 09:40
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Chris Gore gave some initial impressions after viewing the film (there's an embargo, so he can't say very much). He's a critic who's never been shy about giving his honest opinion, even when it's unpopular to do so.

 

He said it was very long, that much of the dialogue was laughably bad, and that there were some massive logic gaps and plot holes.

 

But he also said that he wasn't bored for a second; that the visual's, 3D, and action were all fantastic (as a general rule he doesn't like 3D); and despite it's flaws he can't wait to see it again. He said it's suitable for the entire family and that kids, in particular, will absolutely love it.

 

He went into it expecting not to like it, but came out putting it alongside Top Gun Maverick as one of only two "tent pole" movies worth seeing this year.


 
 
 
 

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  #3007656 9-Dec-2022 09:54
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Paul1977:

 

The audience/consumer rejected 3D, so it seems odd that he's going down that route again. Or it could be genius.... manufacturers stopped making 3D TVs years ago, so the only way to see it "as intended" will be in a theater. The original was one of the few movies that did 3D well.

 

HFR is another format that the audience rejected. Perhaps in 3D it will be amazing, but in 2D it somehow makes a film look cheap and uncinematic. I guess we'll have to wait and see.

 

Ultimately though I don't think it has a chance of doing $2 billion in theaters. The retrospective view that most people have of the original is less kind than it was at the time, and I don't think anyone has really been demanding an Avatar sequel (let alone a series).

 

 

That made me think about the fact that our 3D TV is likely heading towards end of life and what our alternatives would be. 

 

It appears that while 3D TV's have stopped being made, 3D projectors have not

 

Best 3D projectors for 2022

 

 

 

This would be a great option for the like of me, who has a few 3D Blurays and would love to still be able to watch them as intended. 





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  #3007664 9-Dec-2022 10:20
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Paul1977:

 

HFR is another format that the audience rejected. Perhaps in 3D it will be amazing, but in 2D it somehow makes a film look cheap and uncinematic. I guess we'll have to wait and see.

 

 

Difficult to agree with this given the tiny number of HFR movies that have been released to date, especially in comparison to the huge number of 3D movies that came out over the years.  I'd argue people rejected The Hobbit trilogy for other reasons.  I also don't think 3D was rejected by the audience.  3D went from being expensive but high quality product because it needed to be shot in 3D end-to-end, to a cheap and poor product because they started doing post-conversions of standard 2D content.  It's that cheapening of the product that destroyed the market for 3D IMO.  Content shot in 3D is still highly regarded among viewers.  But most viewers with more than a tangential knowledge of 3D will avoid a post-converted film over something filmed in 3D. 


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  #3007675 9-Dec-2022 10:50
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I've been to the movies once since the start of the pandemic.  But I could see myself going to this.





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  #3007679 9-Dec-2022 10:57
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gehenna:

 

Difficult to agree with this given the tiny number of HFR movies that have been released to date

 

 

Additionally, things that were actually 'filmed' in HFR look a lot better than the post-processing that some modern TVs do. I've seen 24 fps film content converted to 60 fps and it looks horrendous, almost like it's running in fast-forward. Meanwhile with actual native HFR content, it looks a lot more natural.

 

It's a pity that as far as I can tell, the HFR version of The Hobbit never had a home release.


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