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#798577 12-Apr-2013 19:25

kyhwana2: How cheap do you want fibre for? $19.95 a month? Come on!

$19.95 a year and a free set of steak knives thrown in too.

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#798584 12-Apr-2013 19:52

DarthKermit:
kyhwana2: How cheap do you want fibre for? $19.95 a month? Come on!

$19.95 a year and a free set of steak knives thrown in too.

Those steak knives better never need sharpening!

OP even if you believe that Chorus is going to make extraordinary returns on UFB (they wont), surely you dont believe that the dozens of ISPs serving residential customers aren't being competitive

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#798691 13-Apr-2013 09:12

As well as the steak knives, we would also expect superb and instant help desk service, preferably based in NZ!

When this magic company arrives, don't forget to notify us so we can all rush to our stockbroker.

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#800503 16-Apr-2013 20:56

There's a couple of reasons UFB will be pricier:

• ISPs don't pay for GBs they pay for speed.
• National data is nearly free for ISPs. Some even provide National GBs 100% free
• The main international transit (Southern Cross Cable) has no competitor to drive down costs to the ISPs

In general because ISPs pay for speed and UFB users will be utilising that speed much easier ISPs have to charge more so they can also buy a bigger international speed pipe.

I believe there is also some regulation from the UFB rollout.

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#800787 17-Apr-2013 10:51

I can't speak for OP, but personally I pretty much won't be satisfied until Telecom and Chorus are nationalised, and run like the various "Consumer Owned" Energy Trusts (Well Energy, Electra, etc). Community orientated, with surplus funds being redirected back into the community.

As long as the incumbent former monopoly is in private shareholder hands, it will continue to gouge consumers to maximise returns for it's shareholders, and I find that morally repugnant and socially unacceptable.

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#800834 17-Apr-2013 11:24

Lias: I can't speak for OP, but personally I pretty much won't be satisfied until Telecom and Chorus are nationalised, and run like the various "Consumer Owned" Energy Trusts (Well Energy, Electra, etc). Community orientated, with surplus funds being redirected back into the community.

As long as the incumbent former monopoly is in private shareholder hands, it will continue to gouge consumers to maximise returns for it's shareholders, and I find that morally repugnant and socially unacceptable.

I can understand the principle behind nationalising Chorus, as it is a monopoly infrastructure provider, but there are dozens of companies effectively competing with Telecom, why bother with Telecom?

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#800846 17-Apr-2013 11:39

nickb800:
Lias: I can't speak for OP, but personally I pretty much won't be satisfied until Telecom and Chorus are nationalised, and run like the various "Consumer Owned" Energy Trusts (Well Energy, Electra, etc). Community orientated, with surplus funds being redirected back into the community.

As long as the incumbent former monopoly is in private shareholder hands, it will continue to gouge consumers to maximise returns for it's shareholders, and I find that morally repugnant and socially unacceptable.

I can understand the principle behind nationalising Chorus, as it is a monopoly infrastructure provider, but there are dozens of companies effectively competing with Telecom, why bother with Telecom?

It's bound to be for the Mobile network...

Of course then you need to nationalise Vodafone and 2D.

Sigh.

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#800988 17-Apr-2013 13:56

nickb800:
I can understand the principle behind nationalising Chorus, as it is a monopoly infrastructure provider, but there are dozens of companies effectively competing with Telecom, why bother with Telecom?

Telecom retained ownership of the PSTN, hence including them.. If they were purely a provider I'd exclude them.

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#800989 17-Apr-2013 13:58

Talkiet:

It's bound to be for the Mobile network...

Of course then you need to nationalise Vodafone and 2D.

Sigh.

Cheers - N

Not at all, purely for the PSTN and 2 degrees is doing a sufficiently good job of driving down pricing in mobile IMHO.

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#801036 17-Apr-2013 14:46

Lias:
nickb800:
I can understand the principle behind nationalising Chorus, as it is a monopoly infrastructure provider, but there are dozens of companies effectively competing with Telecom, why bother with Telecom?

Telecom retained ownership of the PSTN, hence including them.. If they were purely a provider I'd exclude them.

Countdown to PSTN irrelevance in 3...2...1

VoIP is on the cusp of being mainstream, so its not worth regulating a dying technology

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#801069 17-Apr-2013 15:48

robertjpayne: There's a couple of reasons UFB will be pricier:

• ISPs don't pay for GBs they pay for speed.
• National data is nearly free for ISPs. Some even provide National GBs 100% free
• The main international transit (Southern Cross Cable) has no competitor to drive down costs to the ISPs

In general because ISPs pay for speed and UFB users will be utilising that speed much easier ISPs have to charge more so they can also buy a bigger international speed pipe.

I believe there is also some regulation from the UFB rollout.

National data is definitely not free for ISPs and probably is not too much cheaper than international if transiting from some remote place or to a non peerer.

THe Southern Cross pricing is standardized with Australia where there is much competition so I reject that point also.

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#801117 17-Apr-2013 17:19

Lias:
nickb800:
I can understand the principle behind nationalising Chorus, as it is a monopoly infrastructure provider, but there are dozens of companies effectively competing with Telecom, why bother with Telecom?

Telecom retained ownership of the PSTN, hence including them.. If they were purely a provider I'd exclude them.

What relevence does the PSTN have? I'd argue that Chorus (or infact any other company) would have been idiots to have taken on the PSTN during the split.

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#801120 17-Apr-2013 17:21

nickb800:
Lias:
nickb800:
I can understand the principle behind nationalising Chorus, as it is a monopoly infrastructure provider, but there are dozens of companies effectively competing with Telecom, why bother with Telecom?

Telecom retained ownership of the PSTN, hence including them.. If they were purely a provider I'd exclude them.

Countdown to PSTN irrelevance in 3...2...1

VoIP is on the cusp of being mainstream, so its not worth regulating a dying technology

"Dead technology" depends on how you view it. Even a large % of VoIP <-> VoIP calls inside NZ still have to route via a NEAX.

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#801402 18-Apr-2013 10:36

Zeon:
robertjpayne: There's a couple of reasons UFB will be pricier:

• ISPs don't pay for GBs they pay for speed.
• National data is nearly free for ISPs. Some even provide National GBs 100% free
• The main international transit (Southern Cross Cable) has no competitor to drive down costs to the ISPs

In general because ISPs pay for speed and UFB users will be utilising that speed much easier ISPs have to charge more so they can also buy a bigger international speed pipe.

I believe there is also some regulation from the UFB rollout.

National data is definitely not free for ISPs and probably is not too much cheaper than international if transiting from some remote place or to a non peerer.

THe Southern Cross pricing is standardized with Australia where there is much competition so I reject that point also.

According to several ISP's websites like onefibre or hd national bandwidth is "practically free".

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#801451 18-Apr-2013 11:01

robertjpayne: According to several ISP's websites like onefibre or hd national bandwidth is "practically free".

Can someone please point me to where I can sign up for free national bandwidth?

Even peering at APE costs $$ in fees, equipment & layer 2 backhaul charges. And doing that alone doesn't get you into every substantial network (hello Telecom) in NZ.

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