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#783463 18-Mar-2013 14:20

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Publius: @InstallerUFB,

What will happen after the UFB network is rolled out in a suburb with every 24 houses connected to a optical splitter, then someone sub-divides an existing section and a new house is built and wants a UFB hookup?

"Sorry the cabinet is full"?

Interesting question... It's worth noting that the 24 way split is a policy, not a technical, limitation. There are options to split 32 or even 64 ways I believe. I'm not sure of the level of optical rework required to change it though.

Cheers - N

The 24 way split is not an explict policy. It is driven from the requirement that the minimum connection speeds to be provided to a End User is 100Mbps/50Mbps. Using the GPON technology this translates into a 24 way split.

However there isn't a 24 way splitter so a 32 way splitter is installed and only the first 24 ports are used.

When 10GPON is introduced, then the number of people on the same splitter can be increased becuase of the faster equipment speeds but the End User speeds remain the same. and the splitter may be upgraded to a 1:64 or 1;128 way. This will handle the future growth and the recent networks are generally designed for a 10GPON rollout.

There are several technologies available on the horizon that will give End Users even faster speeds.

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#783893 19-Mar-2013 13:12

Seeing as there a knowledgeable people here, what purpose does the chorus ufb road-side cabinet play? Distribution of fibre to the optical splitters? So it's simple a patch panel with no electrical gear?

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#785757 23-Mar-2013 06:30

Publius: Seeing as there a knowledgeable people here, what purpose does the chorus ufb road-side cabinet play? Distribution of fibre to the optical splitters? So it's simple a patch panel with no electrical gear?

correct - there is no electrical equipment in the small road side cabinets

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#785758 23-Mar-2013 06:44

Publius: @InstallerUFB,

What will happen after the UFB network is rolled out in a suburb with every 24 houses connected to a optical splitter, then someone sub-divides an existing section and a new house is built and wants a UFB hookup?

"Sorry the cabinet is full"?

Each of the UFB cabinets have the physical capaciity of 288 connections - but on average are designed to have only have around 200 coonections with spare capacity for infull houseing

- the same has been done with the microducting down the street and with the fixed fibre terminals -

The Cabinets arent fitted out with draws/trays & spliters for all the planned connections but are built up as required (they are only fittered with 1 x 32 way spliter to start - of which 24 legs will be used first - then another spliter added etc)

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#789949 31-Mar-2013 15:37

pjamieson:

What is your street name?

Halifax St East, and if you are looking at a map we are on the Eastern most block.

No little green cabinets on our street, just the grey plastic risers or whatever they are called, so old they have "Post Office" written on them!

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#789950 31-Mar-2013 15:47

MikeAqua:
pjamieson:

What is your street name?

Halifax St East, and if you are looking at a map we are on the Eastern most block.

No little green cabinets on our street, just the grey plastic risers or whatever they are called, so old they have "Post Office" written on them!

Bad news if you are in a hurry to get UFB - looks like your end of Haliax St is due for UFB build between may 2015 to june 2016 at this stage

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#790087 1-Apr-2013 00:19

Wireless fibre has become available in Wellsford recently and has been available in Whangarei for quite some time. Business connection with speeds promising up to 50/10 for $125.00

I'm wondering why the likes of Auckland hasn't taken this up. I live in a remote'ish area now and wouldn't mind mounting an antenna on the roof to get those kind of speeds since ADSL out here is 3.0Mb/s MAX.
I wonder what it would take to set that up? I also wonder if people would still be keen even after the roads are rigged with the actual cable 3 to 5 years down the track.

EDIT: When I say keen, I mean I wonder if existing wireless fibre customer would churn to a provider offering it down a cable or if they would stay where they are. Assuming this provider was wireless only.

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#790129 1-Apr-2013 09:46

Isn't "wireless fibre" a logical impossibility or at least a syntax error? (Sorry, learning to program, couldn't resist a coding joke)

I take it "wireless fibre" is one of those nonsense brand names for a service...

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#790146 1-Apr-2013 10:48

MikeAqua:
pjamieson:
What is your street name?

Halifax St East, and if you are looking at a map we are on the Eastern most block.

No little green cabinets on our street, just the grey plastic risers or whatever they are called, so old they have "Post Office" written on them!

Halifax Street East, The Wood, Nelson 7010
Network capability:

Broadband > 20 Mbps (with the right modem and plan)
Broadband > 10 Mbps

Network upgrade scheduled:

UFB fibre up to 100 Mbps between Jul-2015 and Jun-2016

http://chorus.co.nz/maps

There is a VDSL capable cabinet in that block, so you should be getting great speeds. As per countless other threads here, post your modem connection stats, do you have a splitter etc etc.

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#790160 1-Apr-2013 11:07

bisr: Isn't "wireless fibre" a logical impossibility or at least a syntax error? (Sorry, learning to program, couldn't resist a coding joke)

I take it "wireless fibre" is one of those nonsense brand names for a service...

Do you know what day it is? ;)

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#790180 1-Apr-2013 12:31

bisr: Isn't "wireless fibre" a logical impossibility or at least a syntax error? (Sorry, learning to program, couldn't resist a coding joke)

I take it "wireless fibre" is one of those nonsense brand names for a service...

My mistake for explaining it how my parents explained it to me.

Its essentially WiMax but with speeds up to 50/10 or 50/50 or something like that. You mount a big spiky antenna on your roof which connects to a station a kilometer or so away which is connected to fibre in the CBD.

It looks promising. People like me with 800 metre metal drive-ways could benifit from such a service where the ADSL here is less than 2Mb/s. Here is their website: http://www.ultracom.co.nz/wireless.html

Guess I'll ask them directly.

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#790184 1-Apr-2013 12:48

DravidDavid:
bisr: Isn't "wireless fibre" a logical impossibility or at least a syntax error? (Sorry, learning to program, couldn't resist a coding joke)

I take it "wireless fibre" is one of those nonsense brand names for a service...

My mistake for explaining it how my parents explained it to me.

Its essentially WiMax but with speeds up to 50/10 or 50/50 or something like that. You mount a big spiky antenna on your roof which connects to a station a kilometer or so away which is connected to fibre in the CBD.

It looks promising. People like me with 800 metre metal drive-ways could benifit from such a service where the ADSL here is less than 2Mb/s. Here is their website: http://www.ultracom.co.nz/wireless.html

Guess I'll ask them directly.

So it's just a 5GHz WiFi service.

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#790280 1-Apr-2013 19:56

I think UFB is worth getting it b/c it's just newer. It is not copper. It's fibre. It's gonna be 30Mbit for the cheaper plans for most households I gather. To me the installation costs for most urban houses should be free, the plan is the same price generally, so why not. And in the future should they get 300 or 1000 speed, the 100 might be the new entry pack or taken out completely like how some ISPs have ADSL2+ as FS/1. We don't do much downloading but I guess it helps a bit when I am updating Windows, it probably helps more with mic or camera Skyping, I found that overseas Skyping with a mic can crash the conversation on ADSL2+, my friends are in Asia. It's the future, not sure if in the distant future many urbaners would still be on a DSL connection.

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#790286 1-Apr-2013 20:16

rayonline: To me the installation costs for most urban houses should be free, the plan is the same price generally, so why not.

You can argue this but the fibre running past your house has cost ~$3000 per household to install and the cost of installation of the fibre connection to your home and hardware will be somewhere in the vicinity of $1000 - $2000. At the end of the day these costs have to be paid by somebody.

And in the future should they get 300 or 1000 speed, the 100 might be the new entry pack or taken out completely like how some ISPs have ADSL2+ as FS/1. We don't do much downloading but I guess it helps a bit when I am updating Windows, it probably helps more with mic or camera Skyping, I found that overseas Skyping with a mic can crash the conversation on ADSL2+, my friends are in Asia. It's the future, not sure if in the distant future many urbaners would still be on a DSL connection.

Speeds faster than 100Mbps will only be available on point-to-point connections or a future GPON upgrade. There is no capability at present to offer speeds faster than 100Mbps over GPON using the uncontended 24 way split CFH want to maintain.

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#790313 1-Apr-2013 21:07

Im wondering how they will handle the 24 way split with multiple services into a single house, since they seem to be allowing for only 1 service in the 2.4/24 calculation. Guess they will just have to hope that there are sufficiant technophobes and non flatting houses to make up for it.

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