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Downhillnz

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#960765 3-Jan-2014 15:24

hamish225:
Downhillnz: The reason Chorus like to have Cat5e/6 cable rewired to a new Jackpoint is for a few reasons.

If they decide they want to bump up the VDSL speeds higher ( AFAIK they are looking into it)
For fibre installs, ( They are looking to put in hybrid wire, two pair of Cat6 rated and two fibre)
Because its new cable....

The difference between having 10-20m of that old untwisted 2 pair and having cat6 is minimal. 200k downstream (I have compared with some installs for curiosity sake).

As long as there are no multiples on the pair that he used to get to the dedicated jp. It would be fine.

hmm, interesting that they are looking at bumping the speeds up.

would that mean an increase for everyone?

for example my line stats as reported by my modem are as follows;

would i get an increase or is this the best i can get?

I have installed a few connections with these kind of stats. The Errored Seconds aren't a good look.
I don't know how they are going to work with DLM on this. The connection looks close enough for a profile jump, but whether DLM will let it stay on that profile will be something else.

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#960768 3-Jan-2014 15:30

Downhillnz:
hamish225:
Downhillnz: The reason Chorus like to have Cat5e/6 cable rewired to a new Jackpoint is for a few reasons.

If they decide they want to bump up the VDSL speeds higher ( AFAIK they are looking into it)
For fibre installs, ( They are looking to put in hybrid wire, two pair of Cat6 rated and two fibre)
Because its new cable....

The difference between having 10-20m of that old untwisted 2 pair and having cat6 is minimal. 200k downstream (I have compared with some installs for curiosity sake).

As long as there are no multiples on the pair that he used to get to the dedicated jp. It would be fine.

hmm, interesting that they are looking at bumping the speeds up.

would that mean an increase for everyone?

for example my line stats as reported by my modem are as follows;

would i get an increase or is this the best i can get?

I have installed a few connections with these kind of stats. The Errored Seconds aren't a good look.
I don't know how they are going to work with DLM on this. The connection looks close enough for a profile jump, but whether DLM will let it stay on that profile will be something else.

it has been installed for more than the 10 days if you look at the up time its been up for 21 days there. i hoped it would jump but it hasnt.

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#960941 3-Jan-2014 21:53

suspect you might be on the boardline for 17a there.. your errored rates are pretty heavy looking.

somethings displaying wrong there though, your errored seconds are far higher than your connected seconds? unless thats in mins.

its much like my line, right at the spot where it could go any day, but DLM is a mystery!

absolutely, the cat5 isnt gonna help much, aside from when the wiring is done badly in the place to start with. seems far too common that the wiring is infact, done badly however...

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#961012 4-Jan-2014 09:27

maybe post up the stats from telnet? as the GUI can sometimes misrepresent the data.

open telnet
type: o (modem ip address)
Username:
Password:
xdsl info expand=enabled

Ive got similar stats to Hamish but i have next to no errors on it. My attenuation is also a little lower and i was really expecting to be on the 17a profile with my stats

Downhillnz

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#961037 4-Jan-2014 10:18

Your attenuation is a little lower than 0dB? That's awkward.
Because of all those ES and the fact the attenuation on the downstream is 0dB might mean he has a line fault. DLM wouldn't jump a profile for that reason.

Do you have home phones? Have a listen... Otherwise if its naked it makes it a bit tricky

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#961040 4-Jan-2014 10:26

if he has 0db down and 150db up id say the GUI is more than likely not presenting the correct data of if it is correct he has an issue

mine is 6.3db down and 10.2db up

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#961057 4-Jan-2014 12:08

Jase2985: maybe post up the stats from telnet? as the GUI can sometimes misrepresent the data.

open telnet
type: o (modem ip address)
Username:
Password:
xdsl info expand=enabled

Ive got similar stats to Hamish but i have next to no errors on it. My attenuation is also a little lower and i was really expecting to be on the 17a profile with my stats

i've never done this before, i tried with the username and password i use to log into the web interface but it comes back saying 'login incorrect' then the connection times out after 60 seconds

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#961074 4-Jan-2014 13:13

user name needs to be exact capitilisation

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#961079 4-Jan-2014 13:26

Jase2985: user name needs to be exact capitilisation

its all lowercase supposedly. im just trying admin. no idea what else it could be.

according to this thread telnet is locked down on my modem.
http://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?forumid=81&topicid=136811&singlepage=yes

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#961615 5-Jan-2014 19:54

pjamieson: The info I've been given internally is this is a Cable Terminal (CT). If there is no ETP after this then the Demark/ETP is the first jackpoint. Therefore the Splitter is installed at/behind the first Jackpoint.

Yeah, in NZ the demarc is the first jack if theres no ETP in these really old buildings. However that means the line inside the ceiling is Chorus problem and could require upgrading if you complain about DSL sync/speed problems. Especially with untwisted wire right next to other sources of interference, I would say they might decide to replace that bell thing with a proper demarc.

I question why they put in a splitter for Naked DSL... And what is the other phone cable connected to the phone line? With Naked DSL there should be a modem plugged in and nothing else at all. I would chalk that up to being his first naked install, but you would expect he should know about that already. Maybe he's new?

EDIT: They also should eliminate the multiples, which are a really big issue for some lines. They may have done some of it already, or waiting for a project to rework everything.

Time to find a new industry!

Downhillnz

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#961616 5-Jan-2014 20:04

webwat:
pjamieson: The info I've been given internally is this is a Cable Terminal (CT). If there is no ETP after this then the Demark/ETP is the first jackpoint. Therefore the Splitter is installed at/behind the first Jackpoint.

Yeah, in NZ the demarc is the first jack if theres no ETP in these really old buildings. However that means the line inside the ceiling is Chorus problem and could require upgrading if you complain about DSL sync/speed problems. Especially with untwisted wire right next to other sources of interference, I would say they might decide to replace that bell thing with a proper demarc.

I question why they put in a splitter for Naked DSL... And what is the other phone cable connected to the phone line? With Naked DSL there should be a modem plugged in and nothing else at all. I would chalk that up to being his first naked install, but you would expect he should know about that already. Maybe he's new?

EDIT: They also should eliminate the multiples, which are a really big issue for some lines. They may have done some of it already, or waiting for a project to rework everything.

By the age of that terminal. They would be digging up more than likely lead joints. Not really worth the hassle when VDSL is just an interim to fibre anyway.

Splitters are mandatory installed. What about if the next person to move in wants vdsl too. And wants a phone. Or if the OP wants a phone put on, someone would have to install a splitter regardless.

Maybe your new...

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