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Topic # 136718 6-Dec-2013 16:35
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Looking at the location of this place, its just around the corner from the phone exchange, so its in a VDSL zone. i count 350m by road either way around the block, so i estimate 600m max as a safe estimate.

Except it has approx 13 megabit syncrate. Which seems about 5Mbps or more slower than what i'd expect. About the same speed as this person had in their old place on the same exchange, but 1.1-1.5km away. Its a single person flat, so has one phone jack. Checking the wiring, it goes up into the roof, then down to the end of the building, and i believe into this bell terminal:


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Which i groaned when i saw, because everyone knows how old these things are and what the materials and condition can be.

So question is - Can this be bypassed? Would it be bypassed when a splitter/VDSL is installed, so the signal wasn't completely useless? Or would they just see it and refuse the install?
Though the exchange's VDSL ports are full atm, which is quite a disappointment, i believe ADSL2+ speed still could be increased.

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  Reply # 946669 6-Dec-2013 16:41
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Yes a VDSL splitter would bypass that :)



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  Reply # 946671 6-Dec-2013 16:44
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I read in this thread
http://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?forumid=49&topicid=109251
That the lead in can also be of very poor material? When i looked at it, it seemed to be quite a fat black cable, this terminal is feeding at least 6 units.

Is it likely that also would be causing degradation, or is the lead in usually fine (not that itd be touched, just curious).

 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 946672 6-Dec-2013 16:44
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13 Mbps doesn't necessarily mean VDSL will be a no go. Mine wasn't much more pre-VDSL and I sync at 36Mbps on default TSNRM.

And yeah, I wouldn't think they wouldt refuse install due to that. Seems like just the sort of thing the splitter install is supposed to overcome.



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  Reply # 946675 6-Dec-2013 16:50
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Ah right, just wondered if it would be a problem because it was the end of the building where the line splits off to each unit whether there can be problems because its shared. It looks like it might be a single old white cable to the jackpoint anyway (though could have more joins in there).

Well VDSL is a no go until someone hops off... i guess that means a splitter install has to be paid for in full. I'd do it myself with my spare splitter, but too much risk with other houses being present, don't want to touch a multi unit distribution.

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  Reply # 946682 6-Dec-2013 17:01
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If you live in a VDSL service area then order the service from your ISP.  If we need to install another VDSL line card as part of the provisioning we will.  There is no reason for a customer to be "waiting" for service inside a VDSL coverage area.

(BTW who told you there were no VDSL ports left?)

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  Reply # 946686 6-Dec-2013 17:15
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Snap did. They have signed him onto the VDSL plan (which gives higher data) but they said they were out of VDSL connections and would place him on a wait list for when one becomes available and someone leaves. I assumed this means that there are no ports left, but i'd have to clarify since this is 2nd hand information.

I'll pass this information onto him.

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  Reply # 946688 6-Dec-2013 17:26
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boby55: Yes a VDSL splitter would bypass that :)


No it won't.

That is the terminal that is coming from the cabinet. The splitter will simply connect to one of the pairs in that terminal. What will (should) be 'bypassed' is that old tru-rip cable as the Chorus tech is required to run a new Cat6 cable from your jackpoint to the demarcation point which in this case is that old bell terminal.

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  Reply # 946719 6-Dec-2013 18:30
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Judgeing from the age of that roundall terminal - it is more than likely that the cable is also multipuled into the main cable and isnt on not dedicated cable prs. Which would require grooming of the cable, to make the prs dedicated for xDSL performance. Another hint to this is that this is a 15 Pair terminal you say only feeding 6 units but that other device, still on the wall beside the terminal, is an old 0+2 Unit used to create 2 derived POTS lines from 1 copper circuit (and If it is still alive it has an effect of xDSL, as it also works with by frequency shifting signals that interfare with xDSL sevices in cable prs in close proxsimity)

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  Reply # 946779 6-Dec-2013 21:20
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What area of hamilton east this in - i know the area very well and also a bit about the cables



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  Reply # 946780 6-Dec-2013 21:21
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So they might bypass it or they might not, depending on the set up? Its down a 60 to driveway so the incoming cable is never going to be touched at least.

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  Reply # 946809 6-Dec-2013 22:12
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The cable will be in multiple so dont think theyll get good sync without some build work

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  Reply # 946810 6-Dec-2013 22:15
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eXDee: So they might bypass it or they might not, depending on the set up? Its down a 60 to driveway so the incoming cable is never going to be touched at least.


No it definitely will not bypass that terminal as that is the feed to your block of flats. But if that is in multiples that cable will need to be cleaned up otherwise your VDSL will suffer intensely.

Don't over think this too much. Just apply with an ISP and you will get VDSL sooner or later.



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  Reply # 946812 6-Dec-2013 22:17
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chevrolux:
eXDee: So they might bypass it or they might not, depending on the set up? Its down a 60 to driveway so the incoming cable is never going to be touched at least.


No it definitely will not bypass that terminal as that is the feed to your block of flats. But if that is in multiples that cable will need to be cleaned up otherwise your VDSL will suffer intensely.

Don't over think this too much. Just apply with an ISP and you will get VDSL sooner or later.


Not my place, its a mates. Im just curious.

Cbfd: The cable will be in multiple so dont think theyll get good sync without some build work

You have a pm.



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  Reply # 946842 6-Dec-2013 23:34
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He contacted Snap again, they said they are waiting for a new VDSL Line card to be installed the HNE exchange, and have to wait on this before a port is available. No time estimate.

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  Reply # 947359 8-Dec-2013 03:02
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eXDee: He contacted Snap again, they said they are waiting for a new VDSL Line card to be installed the HNE exchange, and have to wait on this before a port is available. No time estimate.


thats funny, one of the slingshot reps told me that ADSL and VDSL used the same ports, my cabinet is apparently out of ports so they were concerned that i might not be able to get VDSL but since i already had a port that wasnt a problem. 





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