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#1221219 24-Jan-2015 00:24

I'm surprised BigPipe aren't peering given how they have clearly made the point of stating they have no ties with Spark's network. Perhaps they are not calling GGI as being part of Spark.

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#1221240 24-Jan-2015 07:31

Cloudflare peering traffic charts.

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#1221276 24-Jan-2015 10:11

insane: I'm surprised BigPipe aren't peering given how they have clearly made the point of stating they have no ties with Spark's network. Perhaps they are not calling GGI as being part of Spark.

My understanding is it's all down to politics.

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#1221374 24-Jan-2015 14:44

when i was testing out cloudflare speeds a while back (before they had sydney pop) texas was way faster than california. i assume california is faster now, but cdn performance is a complex issue, and don't always make sites load faster.

i did a little testing with cloudflare to sydney hop, hosting a personal site on it. and i noticed that to sydney there was heaps of jitter in request time. and if i merge with my experience of cloudflare sites in general, speeds for the Sydney pop seem to be pretty bad in general. but the speeds to the nz pop seem pretty consistent and fast.

it's a double problem as there's traffic from the webserver to cloudflare, and from cloudflare to the end user. and cloudflare just connect from their pop to the destination, rather than carrying the traffic from their local pop.

so if there is poor performance to the cloudflare server in sydney from where your site is hosted, then you're going to get bad performance. (and Sydney is further away from the US than NZ... so if you are using an ISP like Telecom who only peer in Sydney, then traffic to US hosted web sites is likely to be slower than going direct to a US pop often. (well for dynamic pages)

curiously on telecom if you trace to the IP that requests from NZ are coming from... it routes via Sydney and back to New Zealand. So if you use an ISP that peers, the web server still has to send the traffic via Sydney if they don't peer.

reddit is a good example of a site that isn't hammered too badly with setup to get in the way of performance, and that seems to have sped up.

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#1221379 24-Jan-2015 14:46

insane: I'm surprised BigPipe aren't peering given how they have clearly made the point of stating they have no ties with Spark's network. Perhaps they are not calling GGI as being part of Spark.

i'm surprised vodafone aren't peering. i kind of expected bigpipe to not peer. i wonder if spark will peer?

if they don't it'd be cool if one of the papers would do an article about it. and how telecom is holding back internet performance for over 50% of new zealanders due to politics.

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#1221387 24-Jan-2015 15:05

traceroute to geekzone.co.nz (162.159.243.82), 64 hops max, 52 byte packets
1 10.0.1.1 (10.0.1.1) 0.486 ms 0.257 ms 0.180 ms
2 103.230.76.8 (103.230.76.8) 9.558 ms 7.360 ms 7.885 ms
3 103.230.76.2 (103.230.76.2) 22.263 ms 9.450 ms 7.798 ms
4 as13335.auckland.megaport.com (43.243.22.6) 8.060 ms 7.402 ms 8.027 ms
5 162.159.243.82 (162.159.243.82) 7.930 ms 9.336 ms 9.025 ms

Mynxnet, which I believe is through Vibe.

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#1221389 24-Jan-2015 15:08

if have linux box, try: time curl -v http://www.reddit.com/ > /dev/null

check it says < CF-Cache-Status: HIT

{ [3825 bytes data]
100 107k 0 107k 0 0 9603k 0 --:--:-- --:--:-- --:--:-- 9778k
* Connection #0 to host www.reddit.com left intact
curl -v http://www.reddit.com/ > /dev/null 0.00s user 0.00s system 38% cpu 0.017 total

nearly 80 megabit on reddit front page :)

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#1221505 24-Jan-2015 18:14

Tracing route to geekzone.co.nz [162.159.242.82]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms Orcon.Home [192.168.1.1]
2 1390 ms 872 ms 474 ms 121-99-252-1.bng1.nct.orcon.net.nz [121.99.252.1
]
3 4 ms 4 ms 4 ms xe-2-2-0.cre1.nct.orcon.net.nz [121.98.9.141]
4 4 ms 4 ms 4 ms 121.99.12.0
5 27 ms 27 ms 28 ms 218.100.52.94
6 27 ms 27 ms 27 ms as13335.nsw.ix.asn.au [218.100.52.11]
7 27 ms 27 ms 27 ms 162.159.242.82

You'e a bit slow Orcon.

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#1222312 26-Jan-2015 11:45

freitasm: Cloudflare peering traffic charts.

I'm sure you're aware, but for others that aren't, that is just a tiny sub-set of Cloudflare's Auckland peering.
AKLIX is a very new internet exchange, and as such doesn't have any traffic on it. What we want to see (but can't as they dont release graphs, dont get me started) is graphs from APE.

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#1222314 26-Jan-2015 11:48

Publius:
freitasm: Cloudflare peering traffic charts.

I'm sure you're aware, but for others that aren't, that is just a tiny sub-set of Cloudflare's Auckland peering.
AKLIX is a very new internet exchange, and as such doesn't have any traffic on it. What we want to see (but can't as they dont release graphs, dont get me started) is graphs from APE.

What we really want to see is Cloudflare just showing us all of their ports, as well as aggregations of such. Some magic port utilisation on one port doesn't really help, but seeing where peak times are like in different countries and how much difference there is between wet and dry days and so on could be curious :)

FWIW it seems that Geekzone has sped up a little since.

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#1222330 26-Jan-2015 11:57

mercutio:
Publius:
freitasm: Cloudflare peering traffic charts.

I'm sure you're aware, but for others that aren't, that is just a tiny sub-set of Cloudflare's Auckland peering.
AKLIX is a very new internet exchange, and as such doesn't have any traffic on it. What we want to see (but can't as they dont release graphs, dont get me started) is graphs from APE.

What we really want to see is Cloudflare just showing us all of their ports, as well as aggregations of such. Some magic port utilisation on one port doesn't really help, but seeing where peak times are like in different countries and how much difference there is between wet and dry days and so on could be curious :)

FWIW it seems that Geekzone has sped up a little since.

Indeed im hoping at NZNOG conference this week that cloudflare will give us an update with real numbers.
It's awesome for local content providers such as geekzone to finally have an affordable global cdn with a presence in NZ. The definition of a CDN is to reduce latency and NZ would have to have the highest latency to the internet in general due to distances to everywhere (places like perth while being further away to US, are closer to asia. So I figure NZ has the most latency to the most places), so you'd have thought we would have more CDNs than we do.

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#1225850 31-Jan-2015 13:04

Well, I guess that's one way to do things:

Tracing route to www.cloudflare.com.cdn.cloudflare.net [198.41.215.163]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1    1 ms      1 ms     1 ms Broadcom.Home [192.168.1.1]
2    11 ms    16 ms    51 ms v3.cpcwn2-bng1.tranzpeer.net [101.98.0.98]
3    18 ms    16 ms    15 ms ae-5-10.cpcak3-r1.tranzpeer.net [101.98.3.47]
4    15 ms    15 ms    14 ms ae-4-10.cpcak3-r1.tranzpeer.net [101.98.3.46]
5    16 ms    15 ms    14 ms ad-cpcak3-r1.tranzpeer.net [101.98.3.163]
6    16 ms    15 ms    14 ms xe-4-0-3-10.cpcak4-r1.tranzpeer.net [101.98.3.97]
7    16 ms    16 ms    17 ms xe-4-0-2-10.cpcak4-r1.tranzpeer.net [101.98.3.96]
8    14 ms    16 ms    18 ms ten-0-2-0.bdr01.akl05.akl.VOCUS.net.nz [175.45.102.17]
9    15 ms    39 ms    17 ms as13335.cust.bdr01.akl05.akl.VOCUS.net.nz [175.45.93.218]
10   17 ms    18 ms    17 ms www.cloudflare.com [198.41.215.163]

Trace complete.

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#1225851 31-Jan-2015 13:06

Vocus... What else would you expect?

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#1225864 31-Jan-2015 13:24

freitasm: Vocus... What else would you expect?

Via APE or AKL-IX.

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#1225869 31-Jan-2015 13:26

Vodafone must be moving something... Or who knows what, because they are now sending Cloudflare requests to Singapore again (150ms) instead of Sydney (45ms).

My 10Mbps SNAP DSL connection loads Geekzone (and other sites) faster than my 130Mbps Vodafone cable.

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