SKY ATTEMPTING TO CENSOR INTERNET, SAYS VOCUS

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#1909549 29-Nov-2017 13:12

In reading the document I see that Sky points to actions taken overseas as justification for its case. However, a big difference is that legislation was enacted overseas to make sites and devices facilitating piracy illegal. Here there is no legislation (at least, not yet). Instead, Sky is trying to do it through the court.

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#1909553 29-Nov-2017 13:21

This is Vodafone's weak response via Twitter "We are aware that SKY intends to seek a Court order under the Copyright Act that would require ISPs to block specified infringing sites. Vodafone would of course comply with any Court order."

Of course, Vodafone are donkey-deep in with Sky following the announcement of Vodafone TV, so, in my personal opinion, they are clearly conflicted as both an ISP and business partner with a commercial content provider.

Is their reputation as an ISP provider about to get tarnished?

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#1909554 29-Nov-2017 13:30

what people should remember is that in most other countries this has been successful, most ISP's have blocked sites but as someone has said it's just like whack-a mole as many as they block just as many proxy sites pop up and it is very easy to find the sites as they are blocked on a very basic level, just enough so they are following the law.

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#1909556 29-Nov-2017 13:31

dafman:

Is their reputation as an ISP provider about to get tarnished?

I don't think so. If the court do make an order, the four listed ISP will have no option but to enforce the restrictions.

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#1909562 29-Nov-2017 13:52

dclegg: Is this an attempt to cut down on piracy, or also to stamp out parallel importing of legitimately paid for video content?

Outside of Lotto, I'm not a gambler but I'd put money on this being the case more than anything else. Prior to Netflix launching in NZ, people who used DNS services to evade geo-blocking were labelled as pirates by Sky. Rugby Pass will likely be one of the larger concerns for them. If they can't push this action through NZ's courts I've no doubt they'll start putting the squeeze on Rugby Pass.

StarBlazer: Considering Sky's relationship with Vodafone, would anyone from Vodafone like to comment on whether the same request was made of them, and whether Vodafone has or will comply?

As others have noted, Vodafone are named in the documents.

Talkiet: One thing I do feel I can say is I think it's odd that Sky are asking the courts to require only some ISPs to co-operate. It seems that may materially advantage some providers if this succeeds.

The ISP's mentioned will easily cover the vast majority of internet users.

The main points that I see out of this are:

this is a draft injunction, not yet filed (so how has it come into the public domain?)
as Rikkitic points out, there appears to be no supporting legislation for this which would mean Sky are taking it upon themselves to create something new

What I'd like to see as a response from the named ISP's is a counter action requiring Sky to pay them for the systems and staff that would be required to effectively police the internet on their behalf.

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#1909563 29-Nov-2017 13:52

Draft appears to pick on Movies with sky rights at present.. no listing for TV and or sport. Interesting

However if it goes with that, it seems to cover any IP requested. Which may or may not open a can of anything up despite not movies.

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#1909565 29-Nov-2017 13:54

Yes not all the boxes but Netflix etc are legit right ....

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#1909568 29-Nov-2017 13:59

Someone needs to take Sky out the back of the farm and shoot it, it's gone rabid.

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#1909569 29-Nov-2017 14:10

Dratsab:

StarBlazer: Considering Sky's relationship with Vodafone, would anyone from Vodafone like to comment on whether the same request was made of them, and whether Vodafone has or will comply?

As others have noted, Vodafone are named in the documents.

Although they are noted, they do have a special working relationship with Sky that none of the other ISPs have. Does this make them more likely to comply?

I wonder if GetFlix etc. will be on the list of restricted sites...

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#1909571 29-Nov-2017 14:16

All the cases they refer to for previous court cases, except one look like they're overseas cases.

I googled the TV3 one and it looked like it was more about deflamation then copyright.

Are they trying to use Australian laws here, look how well that's working accross the ditch, knock one site down another pops up, or proxy to it - list will take constant updates.

I can get films off iTunes, I do like Sky Movies, but not basic, movies is not worth $70 a month, to me anyway.

Edit: Neon doesn't do surround sound, so that's no good also.

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#1910576 29-Nov-2017 14:55

IMHO, there are two types of people in NZ:

1. People who don't like Sky, and don't use Sky.

2. People who don't like Sky, but begrudgingly subscribe at high cost as it is the ONLY option to legally watch sport in godzone.

Have I missed anyone?

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#1910584 29-Nov-2017 15:00

Yet Netflix has a anti -piracy unit that does the same thing Sky is doing and yet not a peep.

Common sense is not as common as you think.

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#1910595 29-Nov-2017 15:29

vexxxboy:

Yet Netflix has a anti -piracy unit that does the same thing Sky is doing and yet not a peep.

Netflix has applied for court injunctions ordering NZ ISPs to censor websites? Amazing that that story didn't hit the news - do you have any links?

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#1910596 29-Nov-2017 15:31

dafman:

IMHO, there are two types of people in NZ:

1. People who don't like Sky, and don't use Sky.

2. People who don't like Sky, but begrudgingly subscribe at high cost as it is the ONLY option to legally watch sport in godzone.

Have I missed anyone?

There are at least two GZ users who seem to defend Sky's every move and think their business model is the only viable way kiwis will get sport on TV.

I'd put them in a third category of people who like Sky

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#1910598 29-Nov-2017 15:39

WOW that's all I can say, if they think its piracy that is killing them then their CEO needs to be found in no confidence by their share holders and dismissed.

I have to be honest when I say that I cannot believe that shareholders are not bailing as fast as they can. Then again looking at this 52 Week Change: -$2.331 / -48.85% then I guess they are but just not as fast as I would have thought.

Their monopoly has gone and if they loose the Rugby bid then I would doubt they would last a hell of a lot longer.

When we left over a year ago it was directly because of their content and pricing. Using Netflix and Neon and Light box (none of which we have to pay for at the moment for 12 months) , None of the stuff we watch as a family is illegal and it also has no adverts every 5 mins and its all on demand.

I would have wished Sky all the best but when we did leave they did not even entice us to try and stay so as far as I am concerned Sky you are going to die a painful death and you have nobody to blame but yourself.

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