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#2778818 15-Sep-2021 15:34

You can keep changing your address for your account as you move around, that’s what some Americans have been doing.

However (as you can imagine) that leaves a massive risk of not being able to change to your next location if the cell is full.

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#2778828 15-Sep-2021 15:59

cAPTAIN_k: You can keep changing your address for your account as you move around, that’s what some Americans have been doing.

However (as you can imagine) that leaves a massive risk of not being able to change to your next location if the cell is full.

Yeah, you have to wonder once they are fully deployed, that if there is was still spare capacity generally available on the network they could segment some of it off into a pool for "mobile" customers.. potentially with lower capped speeds??- and then charge a premium for the service...

But it will all comedown to what the final take up is like .....

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#2778837 15-Sep-2021 16:14

There are several more shells of sats to go, they have just completed the basic single shell for service now

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#2778919 15-Sep-2021 17:19

There has been talk (backed by some FCC licensing applications) on USA-based forums of a new mobile Starlink terminal aimed at boating (shipping is a different market), trucking and RV markets. These are all markets with very large numbers of potential users that I'm sure SpaceX will be keen to get onto. Two other currently unaddressed by big global markets are shipping and aircraft.

I expect that one SpaceX have sorted out how to make a fixed-location "Dishy" residential terminal at an acceptable cost and volume, they'll get onto the other markets.

I'd guess that shipping might be the easiest: owners are used to fairly expensive solutions, stabilised platforms are widely available, and 50km/hr is a very fast mover.

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#2778947 15-Sep-2021 18:07

RobDickinson:
aha I cant read it because "To continue reading this article and to support great journalism" its a paid article.

yeah no.

The Herald is rubbish cobbled together to support their advertisers and the political agenda of their foreign owner. Plus, like many private media, they will likely vwrite articles that trash you unless / until you advertise with them. I've seen this first hand at other media outlets in the past. It's basically blackmail.

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#2779012 15-Sep-2021 19:01

The Herald article mentioned spectrum costs. At the TUANZ Rural Symposium yesterday, VF also mentioned the lower price that Starlink gets its spectrum for. On the other hand, Starlink is not getting funding from our govt.

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#2779027 15-Sep-2021 20:15

Nate001:

The Herald is at it again with their award winning journalism...

Waiuku's Steve is unhappy because he cannot port forward his webcams on Starlink because of CG-NAT. - Steve you're lucky Starlink fixed the gaping vulnerability you had doing that.

Steve is also unimpressed because there is only one port on the modem and therefore he cannot plug his other devices in. As he says, he will need "a splitter or something."

I see there is an update, hopefully his workaround is more secure:

"I now have a workaround for the port-forwarding, albeit very inferior. And I'm not planning to return the Starlink kit. There's just no comparison with what copper can provide."

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#2779133 16-Sep-2021 09:24

PolicyGuy:

I'd guess that shipping might be the easiest: owners are used to fairly expensive solutions, stabilised platforms are widely available, and 50km/hr is a very fast mover.

Do they need stabilised platforms so much with beam steering? Remember the first actual non spacex test of starlink was the USAF on planes and they loved it.

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#2779182 16-Sep-2021 10:20

RobDickinson:

PolicyGuy:

I'd guess that shipping might be the easiest: owners are used to fairly expensive solutions, stabilised platforms are widely available, and 50km/hr is a very fast mover.

Do they need stabilised platforms so much with beam steering? Remember the first actual non spacex test of starlink was the USAF on planes and they loved it.

The Starlink User Terminal antenna ("Dishy") needs to maintain a reasonable degree of orientation to keep the current satellite in view, and the existing orientation motors and mechanism, from the videos I've seen, don't appear either fast enough or robust enough to stabilise the antenna on a ship that might be pitching and rolling quite a lot.
I think that it would be much easier for SpaceX to buy in a stabilised platform including a nicely weatherproofed dome and mount their antenna on it to make a "Maritime Starlink" UT rather than build their own from scratch. After all, this market is never going to amount in total to more than maybe tens of thousands of UTs world-wide, whereas fixed land-based Dishy is being and will be built at the rate of hundreds of thousands of units a year.
Because ships are relatively slow-moving, working out which satellite(s) they can see now now and are going to see next isn't much of a problem, so the Starlink packet routing algorithm isn't being stressed.

Aircraft IMO have exactly the opposite problem: they tend not to move very quickly in pitch and roll - fighter jets in combat excepted - but they do move from one satellite footprint to another quickly and sometime unpredictably, which must make the Starlink packet routing problem much more complex.

We'll all know the truth in another year or two, of course!
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#2779245 16-Sep-2021 10:53

Stil wonder if large ships would need it but smaller yeah for sure, also I assume a starlink contract for an oil tanker or a380 would be a bit more $ than a home unit anyhow...

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#2779919 17-Sep-2021 14:37

Up and running north of Auckland, super happy with it so far! Coming from 5/1 ADSL

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#2779931 17-Sep-2021 14:56

wow.. 5/1 adsl to 270/22 starlink is going to dangerous for you, imagine how much extra time you're going to spend online now 😁

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#2779934 17-Sep-2021 15:03

I would get my Mum to use it if I could - her copper service (to me) is really slow, but for what she uses it for, it's perfect.

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#2779936 17-Sep-2021 15:06

OzoneNZ:

Up and running north of Auckland, super happy with it so far! Coming from 5/1 ADSL

@OzoneNZ, I see you used the standard mount. How did you fix it to your roof?

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#2779947 17-Sep-2021 15:42

DareDevilNZ:

OzoneNZ:

Up and running north of Auckland, super happy with it so far! Coming from 5/1 ADSL

@OzoneNZ, I see you used the standard mount. How did you fix it to your roof?

There's a hole in each arm of the standard tripod mount so we just fed bolts through there and some sealant to stop water ingress

Not a 100% ideal setup but we have a household essential worker who was really relying on this install being up and running ASAP, I didn't fancy the wait times on ordering another official Starlink mount from the US

EDIT: forgot to mention I ended up using our existing MikroTik hEX-S directly without the supplied Starlink router - no hassle at all other than spending 2 minutes to add a static route for 192.168.1.100/32 so that the Starlink app still works and reports stats etc.

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