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#2812122 13-Nov-2021 09:17

Just saw this - may interest some people here. Likely to come to NZ eventually I guess.

https://www.cnet.com/home/internet/starlink-debuts-a-new-satellite-internet-dish/

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#2822857 2-Dec-2021 07:36

It appears that the viability of Starlink is not totally rosy - Musk has confirmed some possibility of bankruptcy:

https://www.cnet.com/news/elon-musk-confirms-hes-worried-spacex-could-go-bankrupt/

While I'm here, also just saw this:

https://www.cnet.com/home/internet/starlink-is-reportedly-testing-its-internet-service-for-airplanes/

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#2823338 2-Dec-2021 17:17

Hi,

So i've been pulling my hair out trying to diagnose some weird speed test behavior. Starlink reports 190Mbps, my google Wifi mesh reports the same. but my wired (and some wireless) devices seem to think the speed is 25Mbps. So far i've tried the following:

different speed test websites (no change)
connecting a wired device directly into the starlink router (no change)
changing the network cable (no change)
updating the NIC drivers (no change)

So far the only consistent thing I have noted is all the NIC's (wired and wireless) so far are Intel ones, they are all set to default settings.

The other thing to note is if I download a big file from somewhere (i.e Google Drive) and manually calculate the speed I get around 60Mbps...

Any ideas wonderful people?

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#2823356 2-Dec-2021 18:02

Apotheosis: Hi, So i've been pulling my hair out trying to diagnose some weird speed test behavior. Starlink reports 190Mbps, my google Wifi mesh reports the same. but my wired (and some wireless) devices seem to think the speed is 25Mbps.

I've been diagnosing similar things on my setup. Some things to check:

Are devices connecting via 2.4ghz or 5Ghz? You're often limited on 2.4Ghz without some extra tinkering with channel widths etc, end even then speeds are limited by device contention. Stick to 2.4GHz channels 1, 6, 12 or 13 for the least band overlaps.
What is the 2.4GHz spectrum use around your property? Contention issues can cause speeds to drop massively.
EDIT: If you can (depending on coverage, device support, etc) limit or switch off 2.4GHz entirely. 5Ghz range is not as good but generally speeds are far better.
Check wired devices: I had an ethernet dongle that turned out to be "Fast Ethernet (aka 10/100) USB 2.0", and speeds were rarely better than about 70Mbps
* Remove any additional bottlenecks: a powerline adapter that I thought supported > 150Mbps was limiting things to about 25Mbps
Check ethernet cable and plug quality, try doing a device-device LAN speed test

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#2823392 2-Dec-2021 19:42

pih:

Apotheosis: Hi, So i've been pulling my hair out trying to diagnose some weird speed test behavior. Starlink reports 190Mbps, my google Wifi mesh reports the same. but my wired (and some wireless) devices seem to think the speed is 25Mbps.
I've been diagnosing similar things on my setup. Some things to check:

Are devices connecting via 2.4ghz or 5Ghz? You're often limited on 2.4Ghz without some extra tinkering with channel widths etc, end even then speeds are limited by device contention. Stick to 2.4GHz channels 1, 6, 12 or 13 for the least band overlaps.
What is the 2.4GHz spectrum use around your property? Contention issues can cause speeds to drop massively.
EDIT: If you can (depending on coverage, device support, etc) limit or switch off 2.4GHz entirely. 5Ghz range is not as good but generally speeds are far better.
Check wired devices: I had an ethernet dongle that turned out to be "Fast Ethernet (aka 10/100) USB 2.0", and speeds were rarely better than about 70Mbps
* Remove any additional bottlenecks: a powerline adapter that I thought supported > 150Mbps was limiting things to about 25Mbps
Check ethernet cable and plug quality, try doing a device-device LAN speed test

Thanks for that, my observations to your points:

Yep all wifi devices are connecting at 5ghz, all wifi test were completed standing next to the master wifi AP so range not an issue.
Don't think this is an issue as i'm seeing the same problem on wifi and wired connections, I will look into it though
I think I may have some small 2.4ghz dependent devices so can't do this, but I might try it as an experiment.
All wired connections are onboard LAN adapters rated at a minimum 1Gb (the one in my gaming pc is rated at 2.5Gb)
No powerline adapters, I have a Google wifi mesh with an ethernet backhaul each Google AP has it's own wire back to an unmanaged gigabit switch... powerline adapters are the devils work :)
Thanks for this suggestion I ran a LAN test from my games computer to my server and averaged 500Mbps down and up so that kind of proves there is no local infrastructure issue.

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#2823420 2-Dec-2021 21:43

The website https://satellitemap.space/# now accepts people putting in their order status. You can see where people are waiting versus those that have them. Good luck to the people in China waiting for a dishy.

The intensity setting gives a good idea of where you will get good coverage. NZ is green!

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#2823435 2-Dec-2021 22:23

@Apotheosis My Oppo Reno 2 phone will get 45mbps on 2.4GHz wifi to the Starlink router. My Samsung Galaxy S21+ will connect on 5GHz and be seeing 275mbps. Standing in exactly the same spot.

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#2823705 3-Dec-2021 11:30

Linuxluver: @Apotheosis My Oppo Reno 2 phone will get 45mbps on 2.4GHz wifi to the Starlink router. My Samsung Galaxy S21+ will connect on 5GHz and be seeing 275mbps. Standing in exactly the same spot.

Thanks, this is mainly happening on wired connections though.

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#2823718 3-Dec-2021 11:55

Apotheosis:
Linuxluver: @Apotheosis My Oppo Reno 2 phone will get 45mbps on 2.4GHz wifi to the Starlink router. My Samsung Galaxy S21+ will connect on 5GHz and be seeing 275mbps. Standing in exactly the same spot.

Thanks, this is mainly happening on wired connections though.

I suggest logging a ticket with Starlink, something is wrong

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#2823760 3-Dec-2021 13:36

Apotheosis:
Linuxluver: @Apotheosis My Oppo Reno 2 phone will get 45mbps on 2.4GHz wifi to the Starlink router. My Samsung Galaxy S21+ will connect on 5GHz and be seeing 275mbps. Standing in exactly the same spot.

Thanks, this is mainly happening on wired connections though.

What cables? I've accidentally used 100mbps Ethernet and wondered why everything seemed slower. Cat 5 is too slow. You'd need cat 5e or later (6, 6a).

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#2823776 3-Dec-2021 14:04

Linuxluver: What cables? I've accidentally used 100mbps Ethernet and wondered why everything seemed slower. Cat 5 is too slow. You'd need cat 5e or later (6, 6a).

Seems he's ruled that out with the LAN test.

What's the LAN topology? Are you using the Starlink router or do you have your own? Odd that the LAN test was ok and the Google mesh is reporting high speedtest results but you're still not seeing that speed on devices. Are any devices at all seeing the full speedtest speeds, wired or wireless?

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#2823787 3-Dec-2021 14:15

pih:
Linuxluver: What cables? I've accidentally used 100mbps Ethernet and wondered why everything seemed slower. Cat 5 is too slow. You'd need cat 5e or later (6, 6a).

Seems he's ruled that out with the LAN test.

What's the LAN topology? Are you using the Starlink router or do you have your own? Odd that the LAN test was ok and the Google mesh is reporting high speedtest results but you're still not seeing that speed on devices. Are any devices at all seeing the full speedtest speeds, wired or wireless?

Yep even at Cat 5 I should be seeing more than 25mbps, but I'm running minimum cat 5e. Topology is no Starlink Router, Google wifi mesh all through, so:

Satellite - Google Wifi AP - unmanaged netgear switch - wired network and other Google Wifi APs.

I've connected cat 5e into the other side of the google wifi ap connected to the satellite and get the same results (25Mbps).

So confused...

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#2823810 3-Dec-2021 14:33

Apotheosis:

Yep even at Cat 5 I should be seeing more than 25mbps, but I'm running minimum cat 5e. Topology is no Starlink Router, Google wifi mesh all through, so:

Satellite - Google Wifi AP - unmanaged netgear switch - wired network and other Google Wifi APs.

I've connected cat 5e into the other side of the google wifi ap connected to the satellite and get the same results (25Mbps).

So confused...

Ok, I'm out of ideas. You say that plugging directly into the Starlink router (no other devices connected) is still slow? If so, yeah, log a fault.

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#2823840 3-Dec-2021 15:20

yep same from the starlink router, will log a ticket and see how I go.

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#2823844 3-Dec-2021 15:25

Apotheosis:
yep same from the starlink router, will log a ticket and see how I go.

One other thing might be interference from electric fences shorting.

Tick....tick....tick...

You can hear it on an AM radio. This murders wifi and can interfere with poorly shielded wired connections or the gear they terminate on.

Very common in a farming setting. A real pain if the misbehaving fence isn't yours and the neighbour doesn't care.

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