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#1821169 12-Jul-2017 11:46

blakamin: Here's a fun NBN fact for you... there's not (really, in probably 90% of places) fibre to the curb here... It's like @richms said, basically VDSL.

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#1821171 12-Jul-2017 11:52

Behodar:

The Netflix speed test isn't great for comparing speeds, as it's limited by the bitrate of Netflix's streams. Most of these come nowhere near saturating a modern connection.

It also wont cover the connections that are so crap that people do not bother with netflix because it drops to something like 240P all the time.

Its a self selecting speedtest pool. Cant netflix, wont netflix, dont count.

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#1821279 12-Jul-2017 14:22

Wiggum:

]Australia is a big place, and broadband differs quiet considerably depending on where you live.

According to netflix speedtest, Australia is definitely not as bad as everybody here seems to be making out.

You're kidding right??

Most of the country is stuck on ADSL. If I wasn't in a cable area (with a max speed of 130/2) I'd be stuck with 4/1 on adsl.

NBN arrived here 1st of July. They just bought the HFC. So I'll be paying $100 for 100/40. Hopefully I get close to that speed, as people on FTTN are paying that price for that service get 7/0.2 on a 100/40 plan, if they're lucky. Have a look on Whirlpool.

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#1821295 12-Jul-2017 14:59

blakamin:

Most of the country is stuck on ADSL.

nbnco just announced that they've completed half the project, so less than half of the country is stuck on ADSL?

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#1821302 12-Jul-2017 15:05

DarkShadow:

blakamin:

Most of the country is stuck on ADSL.

nbnco just announced that they've completed half the project, so less than half of the country is stuck on ADSL?

In other words, more fibre connections in Aus than little NZ, hence the good average Netflix speedtest results.

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#1821305 12-Jul-2017 15:12

Wiggum:

DarkShadow:

blakamin:

Most of the country is stuck on ADSL.

nbnco just announced that they've completed half the project, so less than half of the country is stuck on ADSL?

In other words, more fibre connections in Aus than little NZ, hence the good average Netflix speedtest results.

you can't call a copper connection fibre at all.

If you want to go around saying that, NZ moved to FTTN/FTTC in what... 2004? uh, so we are all on fibre? except for the few thousands of remote customers still on ATM backhauled cabinets.

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#1821312 12-Jul-2017 15:23

hio77:

Wiggum:

DarkShadow:

blakamin:

Most of the country is stuck on ADSL.

nbnco just announced that they've completed half the project, so less than half of the country is stuck on ADSL?

In other words, more fibre connections in Aus than little NZ, hence the good average Netflix speedtest results.

you can't call a copper connection fibre at all.

If you want to go around saying that, NZ moved to FTTN/FTTC in what... 2004? uh, so we are all on fibre? except for the few thousands of remote customers still on ATM backhauled cabinets.

1.431 million fibre broadband connections in Aus

No need to get the results for NZ. They don't come close.

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#1821342 12-Jul-2017 15:30

Wiggum:

1.431 million fibre broadband connections in Aus

No need to get the results for NZ. They don't come close.

But is the definition of a fibre connection the same in both countries? For this to be a valid comparison, it needs to be.

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#1821343 12-Jul-2017 15:33

Wiggum:

1.431 million fibre broadband connections in Aus

No need to get the results for NZ. They don't come close.

So how much of these starts are FTTC/FTTN "Fibre" "NBN" Connections.

Considering most of what has been rolled out there IS a Copper based technology (be it HFC or VDSL)

Think i'll stick to relevant experience from residence rather than wikipedia articles that reference back to sketchy results open to interpretation which clearly counteract the fact that NBN (FTTC) is being rolled out...

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#1821344 12-Jul-2017 15:35

Wiggum:

DarkShadow:

blakamin:

Most of the country is stuck on ADSL.

nbnco just announced that they've completed half the project, so less than half of the country is stuck on ADSL?

In other words, more fibre connections in Aus than little NZ, hence the good average Netflix speedtest results.

Oh and by the way, our UFB1 project is now 75% complete. Now our UFB1 project only targets 75% of the country, so our fibre coverage is .75*.75=56%

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#1821347 12-Jul-2017 15:44

DarkShadow:

Oh and by the way, our UFB1 project is now 75% complete. Now our UFB1 project only targets 75% of the country, so our fibre coverage is .75*.75=56%

Its like comparing apples with bananas. Australia has a huge footprint to cover, you can't compare fibre coverage. NZ has a population density of about 15 people per square km, while Aus is just 3.1 people.

Which of the two countries is cheaper/faster to connect 15 people to UFB/NBN?

I rest my case.

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#1821348 12-Jul-2017 15:44

The source for the 1.431 million figure defines fibre as:

Broadband network architecture that uses optical fibre for the 'last mile' or 'access network' technology. There are a number of types of fibre deployments including Fibre to the Premises (FTTP), Fibre to the Node (FTTN), Fibre to the Home (FTTH), and Fibre to the Building (FTTB). Fibre used only for back haul is excluded from counts of fibre internet connections.

And also defines DSL as:

A family of technologies that provides digital data transmission over the local telephone network. This suite of technologies, now referred to as xDSL, includes Asymmetrical Digital Subscriber Line (ADSL, ADSL2, ADSL2+) and Symmetrical Digital Subscriber Line (SDSL), etc. DSL is excluded from ABS counts where it is not used for internet connectivity (e.g. leased lines).

This is quite vague as to where FTTN/FTTC falls, as it defines FTTN as a last mile technology, which I thought it wasn't? Correct me if I'm wrong there. But looking over their glossary it's only mention is under the fibre definition. This leads me to believe that it is part of that 1.431 million fibre connection number.

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#1821353 12-Jul-2017 15:55

HowickDota:

The source for the 1.431 million figure defines fibre as:

Broadband network architecture that uses optical fibre for the 'last mile' or 'access network' technology. There are a number of types of fibre deployments including Fibre to the Premises (FTTP), Fibre to the Node (FTTN), Fibre to the Home (FTTH), and Fibre to the Building (FTTB). Fibre used only for back haul is excluded from counts of fibre internet connections.

And also defines DSL as:
A family of technologies that provides digital data transmission over the local telephone network. This suite of technologies, now referred to as xDSL, includes Asymmetrical Digital Subscriber Line (ADSL, ADSL2, ADSL2+) and Symmetrical Digital Subscriber Line (SDSL), etc. DSL is excluded from ABS counts where it is not used for internet connectivity (e.g. leased lines).

This is quite vague as to where FTTN/FTTC falls, as it defines FTTN as a last mile technology, which I thought it wasn't? Correct me if I'm wrong there. But looking over their glossary it's only mention is under the fibre definition. This leads me to believe that it is part of that 1.431 million fibre connection number.

exactly.

so... nz is at what? 95% coverage for FTTC/FTTN..... Remember all our ADSL2+ deployment is FTTC/FTTN

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#1821385 12-Jul-2017 17:22

So using the same definition as Oz for a fibre connection, NZ could include the majority of xDSL customers (excluding the minority of remote ATM connections) in the fibre count.

We win.

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#1821388 12-Jul-2017 17:28

But they count this as connected???

https://www.itnews.com.au/news/nbn-co-finally-reveals-extent-of-micronode-problem-467943

And remember, they're calling this technology "nbn"...

So yeah, over half are still only able to get ADSL and the only reason "half" are connected by "fibre" is they bought HFC networks from Telstra and Optus. It's not fibre like NZ fibre at all.

Also remember 3/4 of rural are now connected... which means wireless. Which means its all BS.

No point telling me what Oz internet is like from NZ, I live here. I see and hear about it daily.

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