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#1910865 30-Nov-2017 09:17

Does Neon represent good value for money (compared to Netflix, Lightbox etc)? Those services (content delivered online) are all comparable, right?

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#1910879 30-Nov-2017 09:26

Sky reminds me Gatland and Cheika. Instead of bitching and moaning Sky needs to fix it's product. They are sticking with an out dated unpopular delivery vehicle instead of innovating and providing what the market wants.

Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.

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#1910897 30-Nov-2017 09:40

sbiddle:

This isn't about taking means to charge extra for some legal services or limit access to other legal services, it's about using the Copyright Act to restrict access to illegal content. This sets a precident when it comes to Internet filtering.

To me it sounds an awful lot like trying to use the Copyright Act to restrict access to whatever Sky thinks is illegal content. Sky should not be the one to determine this kind of thing. It is not the province of a private, for-profit company. The courts are the only ones qualified to make this kind of judgement. I believe this is in fact a slippery slope and should not be allowed. Just because backward bushwhackers in Australia are doing it, doesn't mean we should.

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#1910900 30-Nov-2017 09:43

tdgeek:

I agree, as its portrayed and reported as controlling the internet, which is obviously not the case. Its just the simple and boring concept of protecting a business against an illegal activity that affects it. That its TV or internet is irrelevant, that just brings on the tin foil hat brigade. If its not kosher, we should apply the same stance to everything, and condemn anyone or anything that upholds laws or statutes.

I fundamentally disagree with this proposition. Once the principle of blocking stuff on the say-so of a vested interest is accepted, it will open the door to widespread abuse. One only has to look overseas to see examples of this.

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#1910901 30-Nov-2017 09:44

MikeB4: Sky reminds me Gatland and Cheika. Instead of bitching and moaning Sky needs to fix it's product. They are sticking with an out dated unpopular delivery vehicle instead of innovating and providing what the market wants.

Agreed, and if they separate the sport and offer their ‘basic’ without the subsidies included they could then become relevant to the ‘basic’ user who would be happy to pay the $20(ish) cost and start seeing how many rugby fanatics REALLY value their product when they need to pay $80-100 for the sport channel.

NZ Rugby, and Sky itself, has been propped up by the ‘average’ user being compelled to buy the basic pack at a higher price... palatable or not, the only way they will balance this market is to adjust to the market forces at work here... blaming “Pirates” hasn’t worked for anyone but the press and lawyers... Netflix and Spotify (et al.) have demonstrated that when the price is right, the product is available, and the consumer empowered... the money flows in.

Market forces in a free market global economy... maybe not what they were taught in marketing101 at Uni 30 years ago?

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#1910905 30-Nov-2017 09:53

MikeB4: Sky reminds me Gatland and Cheika. Instead of bitching and moaning Sky needs to fix it's product. They are sticking with an out dated unpopular delivery vehicle instead of innovating and providing what the market wants.

Can you elaborate?

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#1910910 30-Nov-2017 09:55

MikeB4:

This will be a PR and commercial nightmare for Sky and will damage an already badly damaged brand. If they do not see that then Mr Fellet is more out of touch with the market than I previously considered.

He's the CEO of a horse and coach business that's trying to stop people importing motorcars because he believes he has the exclusive rights for transportation. We know exactly how that ended.

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#1910912 30-Nov-2017 09:58

PhantomNVD:
Agreed, and if they separate the sport and offer their ‘basic’ without the subsidies included they could then become relevant to the ‘basic’ user who would be happy to pay the $20(ish) cost and start seeing how many rugby fanatics REALLY value their product when they need to pay $80-100 for the sport channel.

100% agree. Its not just rugby, its sport overall. Basic is a nice service for many. So is sport. Basic is overpriced by say 800,000 x $25 per month, add that to the smaller number of sports subscribers, no idea how many of those there are

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#1910913 30-Nov-2017 09:58

tdgeek:

MikeB4: Sky reminds me Gatland and Cheika. Instead of bitching and moaning Sky needs to fix it's product. They are sticking with an out dated unpopular delivery vehicle instead of innovating and providing what the market wants.

Can you elaborate?

Take a look at Foxtel Now as an example. https://www.foxtel.com.au/now/index.html

You can get the rough equivalent of SoHo + Sport for AU$44 per month. You can play two streams at once. If you have a Chromecast, it is available in HD. And if you prefer an old style set top box, you can buy one for AU$99 and get two months of all the available channels, which practically makes it free.

When Vodafone announced the new look 'Vodafone TV' earlier this year, this is what I was expecting them to launch.

Meanwhile, if you want Sky Sport (only four channels) then you need to pay more than twice that (Fanpass $99/m) on a monthly contract :(

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#1910915 30-Nov-2017 09:59

Wow... DNS blocking, IP blocking, by a private company...

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#1910916 30-Nov-2017 10:00

sbiddle:

He's the CEO of a horse and coach business that's trying to stop people importing motorcars because he believes he has the exclusive rights for transportation. We know exactly how that ended.

They do have their own motorcar (NEON), but they've only given it three wheels, and they're not very good at servicing it. It's a little more expensive than the other locally available motorcars, but definitely far better value for money than their old horse and coach. It also doesn't have the same choice of colours as the overseas car makers offer, even those that have them spray painted at the same factory.

They had another promising motorcar (Fan Pass), but as it turns out they had priced it at a point that was not sustainable due to the manufacturing costs involved in creating it. Not sure if it was initially sold as a loss leader to begin with, or they had underestimated these costs.

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#1910927 30-Nov-2017 10:19

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#1910934 30-Nov-2017 10:37

It's good to read people's frank opinions on this matter but might I suggest that if people had to use their real names and addresses they might be a bit more moderate in the words they use. Think legal liability and the right of SKY to defend themselves.

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#1910939 30-Nov-2017 10:44

I would imagine Freitasm would comply with any legal order to provide his user list. People are not exactly hiding behind anonymity here. User names help avoid unwanted spam and other privacy intrusions. That is the nature of the modern Internet.

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#1910946 30-Nov-2017 10:48

https://www.orcon.net.nz/sky-censorship-response seems to be taken down?

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