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Topic # 112267 3-Dec-2012 10:48
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Hi,
I've just browsed through the recent CC doc http://www.comcom.govt.nz/assets/Telecommunications/STD---Standard-Term-Determinations/UBA/Price-Adjustments/UBA-Price-Review-Draft-Determination-3-December-2012.pdf where they compare NZ with Denmark. 
I really can't understand, if this is true how then Denmark customers could enjoy 199 DKK (42 NZD) 10 Mbps unlimited DSL access http://ww3.telia.dk/bredbaand/?utm_campaign=oktober_bb&utm_medium=banner&utm_source=Adservice&utm_content=bb_bannere&utm_term=cpa  while I'm paying 99 NZD for the limited 150 Gb service on the same speed (the best offer I could find)?

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  Reply # 726045 3-Dec-2012 11:05
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What does Slingshot's unlimited plan cost?




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  Reply # 726055 3-Dec-2012 11:45
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spoonboy: Hi,
I've just browsed through the recent CC doc http://www.comcom.govt.nz/assets/Telecommunications/STD---Standard-Term-Determinations/UBA/Price-Adjustments/UBA-Price-Review-Draft-Determination-3-December-2012.pdf where they compare NZ with Denmark. 
I really can't understand, if this is true how then Denmark customers could enjoy 199 DKK (42 NZD) 10 Mbps unlimited DSL access http://ww3.telia.dk/bredbaand/?utm_campaign=oktober_bb&utm_medium=banner&utm_source=Adservice&utm_content=bb_bannere&utm_term=cpa  while I'm paying 99 NZD for the limited 150 Gb service on the same speed (the best offer I could find)?



This has all been discussed a great deal, and usually ends up being due to economies of scale , population distribution, and geographical convenience. 

The only way to get Denmark prices, is to move to Denmark.   I'm sure in denmark, they compare themselves to sth korea and complain. 








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  Reply # 726056 3-Dec-2012 11:47
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DonGould: What does Slingshot's unlimited plan cost?

90 NZD, but the speed is not guaranteed. 

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  Reply # 726057 3-Dec-2012 11:51
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spoonboy:
DonGould: What does Slingshot's unlimited plan cost?

90 NZD, but the speed is not guaranteed. 


neither Denmarks 10mbit unlimited DSL is.




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  Reply # 726058 3-Dec-2012 11:54
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hard to tell from the danish page, but the plan you are comparing ($99NZD for 150GB) also includes a landline.
Does the Danish plan include that, or is it extra? I don't speak danish and google translate is iffy so it;s not clear whether the 199Kr is seaprate from lanline, is a price for naked, or something else.

NZ tends to show all prices as bundles inclusive of landline. Many other countries still show separate prices for broadband vs landline.

If you take the $99NZD, remove the landline component which is around $50, you are left with $49 for the broadband (assuming no discounting for bundles) which is fairly comparable to the $42 in the OP



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  Reply # 726059 3-Dec-2012 11:56
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This has all been discussed a great deal, and usually ends up being due to economies of scale , population distribution, and geographical convenience. 

Yes, and the outcome of the discussions was the decision made by CC that the prices should be comparable to the similar countries. The CC doc goes through the list of the countries and identifies Denmark as most suitable for being used as a price template that should be adopted by NZ. So, I expected the NZ would  have the Denmark price at some stage.



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  Reply # 726069 3-Dec-2012 12:08
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If you take the $99NZD, remove the landline component which is around $50, you are left with $49 for the broadband (assuming no discounting for bundles) which is fairly comparable to the $42 in the OP

Well,  I don't use the phone  line  provided with the package (don't even have a phone at home) and I've been looking for a nDSL but any naked DSL is worse than the package. For example telstra charges 140NZD for 150GB with no phone. So, ok, my example is not correct. The naked DSL is actually more expensive than my 99NZD package. 

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  Reply # 726071 3-Dec-2012 12:12
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spoonboy:
 
If you take the $99NZD, remove the landline component which is around $50, you are left with $49 for the broadband (assuming no discounting for bundles) which is fairly comparable to the $42 in the OP

Well,  I don't use the phone  line  provided with the package (don't even have a phone at home) and I've been looking for a nDSL but any naked DSL is worse than the package. For example telstra charges 140NZD for 150GB with no phone. So, ok, my example is not correct. The naked DSL is actually more expensive than my 99NZD package. 


the point is that the danish plan may not be Naked DSL, it may be the price of broadband that requires you to also have a phoneline.  For all we know the phone line costs $50 which makes it directly comparable to the NZ pricing.



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  Reply # 726077 3-Dec-2012 12:19
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the point is that the danish plan may not be Naked DSL, it may be the price of broadband that requires you to also have a phoneline.  For all we know the phone line costs $50 which makes it directly comparable to the NZ pricing.

I think it's quite clear stated on their page:
Do I need a landline to get Telia Broadband?No. However, it is essential that there is a free telephone copper at the address and that you have a landline connector or a connector. 


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  Reply # 726079 3-Dec-2012 12:20
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spoonboy:Yes, and the outcome of the discussions was the decision made by CC that the prices should be comparable to the similar countries. The CC doc goes through the list of the countries and identifies Denmark as most suitable for being used as a price template that should be adopted by NZ. So, I expected the NZ would  have the Denmark price at some stage.


Ok, I don't understand why Denmark should be considered as close from a comparison point of view.

I would have thought we should be comparing with Sydney.










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  Reply # 726082 3-Dec-2012 12:26
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spoonboy:

the point is that the danish plan may not be Naked DSL, it may be the price of broadband that requires you to also have a phoneline.  For all we know the phone line costs $50 which makes it directly comparable to the NZ pricing.

I think it's quite clear stated on their page:
Do I need a landline to get Telia Broadband?No. However, it is essential that there is a free telephone copper at the address and that you have a landline connector or a connector. 



I don't read Danish Tongue Out  and google translate is pretty dodgy and even using it I cant see where it says that on the page you linked to. are you perhaps referring to a different page?



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  Reply # 726084 3-Dec-2012 12:28
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Ok, I don't understand why Denmark should be considered as close from a comparison point of view.

I would have thought we should be comparing with Sydney.

The CC doc that I've mentioned above discuss this subject in details. And I don't argue with it. Denmark looks like a good example. I just wanna understand if we can  expect similar BB plans be available to the NZ customers due to the decision? 



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  Reply # 726089 3-Dec-2012 12:32
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I don't read Danish Tongue Out  and google translate is pretty dodgy and even using it I cant see where it says that on the page you linked to. are you perhaps referring to a different page?

Nor do I. The google chrome translator works good for me. 
Here is the page http://ww3.telia.dk/bredbaand/spoergsmaal-og-svar/kan-jeg-faa-bredbaand/

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  Reply # 726095 3-Dec-2012 12:36
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spoonboy:

I don't read Danish Tongue Out  and google translate is pretty dodgy and even using it I cant see where it says that on the page you linked to. are you perhaps referring to a different page?

Nor do I. The google chrome translator works good for me. 
Here is the page http://ww3.telia.dk/bredbaand/spoergsmaal-og-svar/kan-jeg-faa-bredbaand/


ah I see.  that wasn't the page you originally linked to.  If you want to quote from somewhere it is normally a good idea to link to the page you quote from.

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  Reply # 726096 3-Dec-2012 12:36
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spoonboy:  I just wanna understand if we can  expect similar BB plans be available to the NZ customers due to the decision? 


I didn't read the comcom document, they're generally always TL;DR.

As you've read it you might like to quote sections that address questions posters make.

With direct respect to your question, the price for BB is always going down and the value always goes up.

Comcom having a push will help, it always does help when regulators continue to put pressure on the market to deliver comparative value.

However global markets are always also moving.  As soon as New Zealand catches up to the value in Denmark today, Denmark will move forward as well.

You'll be back in 12 months looking at the next report and asking why our value again doesn't match theirs.

If you really want to catch up and close the value gap then you have to start to focus more on game playing changes.

The current biggest game changer would be a cable from Sydney to Nelson.




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