Thinking of moving to VDSL2

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# 137957 14-Dec-2013 17:47

So I'm looking at moving over to VDSL with Slingshot. (though undecided who yet, may also be snap).

My question is, what is required by the tech to do onsite? My concern is I live in an apartment complex in Gulf harbour, does he have to run new cables anywhere? If so, am I likely to need permission from the neighbours?

Also since I'm renting, will I need permission from the owner?

on a side note, I get around 17mbps sync rate of ADSL2.. is it acceptable to think I'll get a considerable speed difference moving to VDSL?

Based on what I've read, I'm looking at the DrayTek Vigor DV130 as my modem of choice, bridged to my DD-WRT WNDR3700, just need to get this wiring crap sorted out.

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# 952239 14-Dec-2013 17:47

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# 952316 14-Dec-2013 20:13

I won't comment on what Chorus should so in this situation as that seems to differ so rapidly between provinces. In an apartment building I wouldn't expect Chorus to run a cable back to the demarc but these days they normally have at least a 6-way which tend to work ok on VDSL.

But in terms of routers/modems I would suggest he Zyxel over the Draytek as there was issues with bridging the DV130. I think that has been fixed as long as you have access to beta firmware from Snapper but if it was me I would just stick to Zyxel because they seem to be just as stable as a DV120 and take less than a minute to bridge to whatever router you would like to use.

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# 952349 14-Dec-2013 21:02

I'd recommend looking at the offers out there on the market. From what I've seen Slingshot [may] not be the best to supply bandwidth for a high performance technology like VDSL or UFB especially if they're having issues supplying bandwidth to their existing userbase on ADSL. For me, the main reason for going to VDSL was speed, I do quite a bit of work on servers hosted overseas and need low latency + decent speeds to them, this is why I'm with a major ISP who has a proven track record.

Anyway, for me Chorus did nothing with my line since I already had a master filter, I've witnessed hundreds of installs and can confirm that it's a pretty painless experience getting a master filter installed in prep for VDSL :)

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# 952351 14-Dec-2013 21:06

Thanks for the replies.

Michael, who are you with may I ask? Telecom? I would consider them, but it was just the price point really. Slingshot on ADSL2 at the moment seems to get almost line speed most of the time.

chevrolux, I will also look at the other modem. I know there was some reason I didn't consider it though (not that I Remember now!!)

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# 952378 14-Dec-2013 23:01

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When I think of Slingshot I don't think performance. I think leechers.

I would suggest either Snap or Telecom. Telecom sure as hell have the network to back it up but maybe just no the competitive pricng. Snap seem to have the network speeds as well as the excellent price point.

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# 952402 15-Dec-2013 01:37

Aaroona: Thanks for the replies.

Michael, who are you with may I ask? Telecom? I would consider them, but it was just the price point really. Slingshot on ADSL2 at the moment seems to get almost line speed most of the time

Yeah I'm with Telecom mainly since even during peak time I can max out my connection, support is great etc. Personally, if you're going for a high speed connection like VDSL or UFB cheaper is not always better, go with an ISP with a proven track record in speed like Snap or Telecom to save future frustrations.

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# 952651 15-Dec-2013 18:51

Okay, well that sorts that.

I've signed up for Snap VDSL.

My problem now is, what modem do I get?

The two I'm looking at is the Draytek and the ZyXel.

The only thing holding me back from the Zyxel one is the fact that it can't do IPv6 by the looks of things.

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# 952678 15-Dec-2013 19:41

i always got line speed on slingshot adsl to local servers, international bandwidth is allright, heres a test to internode in California on slingshot VDSL

heres one to internode in sydney, australia

heres one to snaps christchurch server

my line speed as of right now is 44Mbps down and 10 up.

i tend to get 4MB/s on steam, origin, windows updates, popular torrents in slingshots (awesome) torrent cache. youtube is still good as it was on adsl, would start playing the video as the page loaded.

my nana changed from slingshot ADSL to telecom for the free modem and her line speed dropped and instead of getting 17Mbps she now gets about 10 from the change off slingshots own gear back to the chorus gear.

to summarise, slingshot have been noting but good for me whereas all the dealings ive had with telecom have been completely awful (go large, making us lose our port when we changed to slingshot)

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# 952690 15-Dec-2013 20:16

Thanks for that.

I've been reading up on VDSL, and I see that people are also saying that you have to meet a minimum requirement for line attenuation.

I should I be at all concerned with these stats with moving to VDSL? am I likely to not see a great increase in speed?

FYI, these are my ADSL2+ stats.

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# 952839 16-Dec-2013 02:34

My speeds was worse than yours, about 14/1. Now on VDSL it's 38/10.

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# 952840 16-Dec-2013 02:59

at 12db, in adsl2, you will be borderline.

snap have allowed your signup, so you should come under the 10.8db at prequal.

shouldnt be too far reach to land atlest 30/10

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