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k14

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#142525 15-Mar-2014 20:15

Hope this is in the right forum.

My wife and I are looking at buying a section to build a house on. I have looked the site up on the chorus broadband map and it says "Broadband > 5Mbps". So does this mean that it is only ADSL1 capable? My current address (a few km away) says "Broadband > 10Mbps" and I have ADSL2. What other info can I find out about the section? If it is ADSL1 is there any way to find if it will be upgraded in the near future?

I may go and door knock and see if any of the other people in the street have ADSL and see what their connection speed is. Would my ISP be able to give me any more detail?

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#1006401 15-Mar-2014 20:15

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#1006468 15-Mar-2014 22:39

I think > 5 megabit is what they say for RBI connections, so in general worse performing.

I'd try and get somewhere that says > 20 megabit as that means it's near an exchange or cabinet whether you go with adsl or vdsl.

If you're in a UFB scheduled area you may not worry too much, as long as it says > 10 megabit if you need decent need in the short term.

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#1006470 15-Mar-2014 22:42

5Mbp/s can be ADSL2+ but buyer beware. its generally ADSL1 area and congested. I would only buy in VDSL or Fibre zones.

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#1006478 15-Mar-2014 23:12

Best idea is ring up your isp and give them the address and ask them to run a prequal. Then you would know what is possible.

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#1006479 15-Mar-2014 23:17

Approx where is this location?

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#1006486 15-Mar-2014 23:29

mercutio: I think > 5 megabit is what they say for RBI connections, so in general worse performing.

I'd try and get somewhere that says > 20 megabit as that means it's near an exchange or cabinet whether you go with adsl or vdsl.

If you're in a UFB scheduled area you may not worry too much, as long as it says > 10 megabit if you need decent need in the short term.

It isn't RBI. It is a one of a kind section so not having ADSL2 or VDSL won't bother me too much, but not having ADSL at all would be a deal breaker. I am guessing it is 1-2km from the exchange via cable, it is over a river from the main part of town.

TimA: 5Mbp/s can be ADSL2+ but buyer beware. its generally ADSL1 area and congested. I would only buy in VDSL or Fibre zones.

Yes that was what I was worried about. Seeing as it is in a small Central Otago town I am fairly confident it won't be over subscribed but would like to know for sure before we buy it!

plambrechtsen: Best idea is ring up your isp and give them the address and ask them to run a prequal. Then you would know what is possible.

Great thanks, wasn't sure if they would be able to know anything.

johnr: Approx where is this location?

In Central Otago, one of the larger towns but still fairly small population wise. It is in a subdivision on the outskirts of town so whilst residential it is bordered by farmland.

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#1006488 15-Mar-2014 23:34

In Central Otago, one of the larger towns but still fairly small population wise. It is in a subdivision on the outskirts of town so whilst residential it is bordered by farmland.

Does this subdivision have its own cabinet by any chance?

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#1006493 15-Mar-2014 23:42

TimA:

In Central Otago, one of the larger towns but still fairly small population wise. It is in a subdivision on the outskirts of town so whilst residential it is bordered by farmland.

Does this subdivision have its own cabinet by any chance?

How would I know that? It is a pretty small subdivision, 25 lots in the street about 200-300m long. Every house on the street is listed as being in the "Broadband >5MBps" zone. Would I see it somewhere on the footpath? Subdivision went in around 2007.

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#1006513 16-Mar-2014 04:46

k14:
mercutio: I think > 5 megabit is what they say for RBI connections, so in general worse performing.

I'd try and get somewhere that says > 20 megabit as that means it's near an exchange or cabinet whether you go with adsl or vdsl.

If you're in a UFB scheduled area you may not worry too much, as long as it says > 10 megabit if you need decent need in the short term.

It isn't RBI. It is a one of a kind section so not having ADSL2 or VDSL won't bother me too much, but not having ADSL at all would be a deal breaker. I am guessing it is 1-2km from the exchange via cable, it is over a river from the main part of town.

TimA: 5Mbp/s can be ADSL2+ but buyer beware. its generally ADSL1 area and congested. I would only buy in VDSL or Fibre zones.

Yes that was what I was worried about. Seeing as it is in a small Central Otago town I am fairly confident it won't be over subscribed but would like to know for sure before we buy it!

plambrechtsen: Best idea is ring up your isp and give them the address and ask them to run a prequal. Then you would know what is possible.

Great thanks, wasn't sure if they would be able to know anything.

johnr: Approx where is this location?

In Central Otago, one of the larger towns but still fairly small population wise. It is in a subdivision on the outskirts of town so whilst residential it is bordered by farmland.

Be vary careful in this situation, It is still possible for it to end up with port waiter status (no connection available in the near future despite being in an area capable of having a connection) or congestion/bad connection to the point where it can be as bad as if not worse than dialup.

Also the map would indicate that based on the results of others in the area providing a connection in this category is likely, The pre-qualification check mentioned previously goes further to confirm this, It has 2 stages 1 being an automated version and the second being a manual more intricate check, These indicate the most likely results but still can not guarantee a connection, More like 98% chance.

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#1006525 16-Mar-2014 07:24

In Central Otago, one of the larger towns but still fairly small population wise. It is in a subdivision on the outskirts of town so whilst residential it is bordered by farmland.

Send me an email "pl at telecom.co.nz" with as much information as possible and I'll check it out tomorrow.

k14

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#1006692 16-Mar-2014 12:57

plambrechtsen:

In Central Otago, one of the larger towns but still fairly small population wise. It is in a subdivision on the outskirts of town so whilst residential it is bordered by farmland.

Send me an email "pl at telecom.co.nz" with as much information as possible and I'll check it out tomorrow.

Great thanks! Look forward to your response.

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#1007276 17-Mar-2014 13:36

So.. Found out the story.

He seems to be Exchange connected and the Alexandra exchange is ADSL/VDSL2 upgraded so that's great news as he won't be connected to an ASAM or Conklin.

About 2km away from the exchange as the bird flies and where I expect Chorus copper to be run so will need to get a Master Filter / Splitter when the house gets built to make sure he gets the best out of his broadband. Happy to add advice here but if it's a new built make sure they talk with their electrican and get CAT5e / CAT6 wired for the whole house back to a central distrubution frame, and a decent 25-30mm ducted pipe from there to the roadside should fibre ever come his way.

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#1007428 17-Mar-2014 16:34

plambrechtsen: So.. Found out the story.

He seems to be Exchange connected and the Alexandra exchange is ADSL/VDSL2 upgraded so that's great news as he won't be connected to an ASAM or Conklin.

About 2km away from the exchange as the bird flies and where I expect Chorus copper to be run so will need to get a Master Filter / Splitter when the house gets built to make sure he gets the best out of his broadband. Happy to add advice here but if it's a new built make sure they talk with their electrican and get CAT5e / CAT6 wired for the whole house back to a central distrubution frame, and a decent 25-30mm ducted pipe from there to the roadside should fibre ever come his way.

Yeah thanks for that, reassuring. Even though it won't be the fastest around I think it will still be sufficient. Maybe be able to post back in about a year with my results :)

I intend to do all the data wiring myself so will certainly be doing it all to the highest spec.

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#1007431 17-Mar-2014 16:36

k14:
plambrechtsen: So.. Found out the story.

He seems to be Exchange connected and the Alexandra exchange is ADSL/VDSL2 upgraded so that's great news as he won't be connected to an ASAM or Conklin.

About 2km away from the exchange as the bird flies and where I expect Chorus copper to be run so will need to get a Master Filter / Splitter when the house gets built to make sure he gets the best out of his broadband. Happy to add advice here but if it's a new built make sure they talk with their electrican and get CAT5e / CAT6 wired for the whole house back to a central distrubution frame, and a decent 25-30mm ducted pipe from there to the roadside should fibre ever come his way.

Yeah thanks for that, reassuring. Even though it won't be the fastest around I think it will still be sufficient. Maybe be able to post back in about a year with my results :)

I intend to do all the data wiring myself so will certainly be doing it all to the highest spec.

fwiw 2km is probably good for 10 megabit.

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#1007436 17-Mar-2014 16:48

mercutio:
fwiw 2km is probably good for 10 megabit.

Thanks, that's what I was after. That will be fast enough for me.

Does anyone know what the long term prospects for connections like this to get upgraded? I am guessing UFB is probably 10+ years away for Alexandra (if ever) but would there be some newer VDSL or the like to bring connections up to the 20-30Mbit mark?

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