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Topic # 144154 9-May-2014 09:07
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Possibly looking at having a p2p fibre installation into my rural home.  It has been indicated that I can run  p2p fibre  connection from the local fibre fed cabinet to my home.  Anyone know who is the most competitive in this field.  
Can anyone give me advice etc 

As far as I can ascertain I will be looking a a rental of 600-700 per month with a $100 for the data.  Would like to pay less than this of course but not sure if this is possible.

Can I get rid of my telecom phone line etc and have phones over this connection (somehow).

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  Reply # 1040561 9-May-2014 09:11
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I don't know the answer, but wow, that's an expensive internet connection. Can you at least share with neighbours to reduce your cost?




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  Reply # 1040563 9-May-2014 09:13
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Yes you can ditch the analog phoneline and have VOIP phones with someone like 2Talk, VFX, etc.




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  Reply # 1040586 9-May-2014 09:24
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If you have some neighbors close by I would recommend splitting it with them to reduce the cost especially since P2P has high throughput which you won't use most of the time.




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  Reply # 1040598 9-May-2014 09:38
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You're not going to be able to pay less than this. You'll also be subject to full install costs which could easily be in the $5 - $10k upwards, assuming it's even possible in your area.




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  Reply # 1040600 9-May-2014 09:43
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hotrok: Possibly looking at having a p2p fibre installation into my rural home.  It has been indicated that I can run  p2p fibre  connection from the local fibre fed cabinet to my home.  Anyone know who is the most competitive in this field.  
Can anyone give me advice etc 

As far as I can ascertain I will be looking a a rental of 600-700 per month with a $100 for the data.  Would like to pay less than this of course but not sure if this is possible.

Can I get rid of my telecom phone line etc and have phones over this connection (somehow).

cheers

 


Generally fibre connections like this don't go via cabinets, they have to go back to the local exchange. Which in your case could be a fair distance?

Are you in a UFB area? Being rurual I assume not? Chorus will only supply p2p fibre in areas which are UFB zones at those kind of prices.





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  Reply # 1040610 9-May-2014 09:45
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Splitting it with the neighbours may be an option but how would you do that?  There are 5 properties that could take advantage of this but spread out over a 600m.   I really dont want issues with congestion would this cause a an issue.  I understand this type of connection is the better than ufb.  Why is that ? reduced latency? 

Can someone explain what you mean by high throughput etc.


Really after more information regarding price  and isp provider etc.

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  Reply # 1040628 9-May-2014 09:50
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You're going to have to call a provider to get information about availability and prices. You can't call Chorus, so try calling an ISP - the smaller ones may be more responsive, finding the right person to talk to in a big place like Telecom could be tricky.

A private fiber has very high bandwidth, five properties could share it with no noticeable slowdown. You'd use point to point wireless to share the connections.




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  Reply # 1040648 9-May-2014 10:03
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Hi,
I live in Takapuna next to a roadside cabinet that a P2P line can be fed from. Chorus quoted me $8000 to install a ONT and do all the trenching down a 15m driveway. It started off at $600 per month. I have no idea how that would or could ever be economical for a plot of 5 houses, Thats about 120 per month at least and you then need equipment. Your better bonding 2 ADSL or VDSL lines or moving into a UFB area.
In terms of your connection you might need to run 10KM of fibre from the exchange before it could get to the house. Thats up to the $100,000 mark right there.

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  Reply # 1040661 9-May-2014 10:15
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hotrok: Splitting it with the neighbours may be an option but how would you do that?  There are 5 properties that could take advantage of this but spread out over a 600m.   I really dont want issues with congestion would this cause a an issue.  I understand this type of connection is the better than ufb.  Why is that ? reduced latency? 

Can someone explain what you mean by high throughput etc.


Really after more information regarding price  and isp provider etc.

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Basically P2P fibre has higher dedicated throughput.

UFB maybe provide 100mbps but they only guarantee 5mbps. With P2P you can get up to 1gbps and with only 5 properties sharing it you would find it quite difficult to max out the connection.

You won't have congestion issues. All fibre has reduced latency since it uses light for communication so when it's travelling along the cable it's travelling at the speed of light.

As for the whole sharing situation, since they are spread out over 600 meters, I would suggest something like a semi-private cabinet placed in the middle, then separate connections to each property from the cabinet.

Of course this will be expensive but if you spread the cost over the 5 properties it should be doable.

With this setup you could either pool the 1gbps connection and anyone can use it whenever they need it, or you could divide it evenly which comes to 200mbps each.

Then on top of the connection they just pay for the data they use.




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  Reply # 1040663 9-May-2014 10:16
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Those costs seem excessive compared to UFB installs which they won't be paying $8k for...? TimA....

Maybe if you dig the trench yourself etc. it could help?


And yes p2p wireless to your neighbours, you won't notice any slowdowns and if you do, you can configure your router for better sharing. I suggest each place would get its own public IP(s) directly ie. you setup a switch and then plug your router into that and the wireless gear into the switch so you are all completely independent of each other.







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  Reply # 1040664 9-May-2014 10:21
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You may be right, it was option given to me by Chorus.

The other option is to get the local community to upgrade the cabinet to allow adsl 2 (maybe vdsl ) which is 40 to 50k.  This may be a possibility and I am only 300m from the cabinet.

What they have told me is that the exchange as fibre to it to allow for faster internet but they wont upgrade the cabinet as there are only 50 houses to take advantage of this.  They would need 250-300 houses to make it a viable option unless the local community paid for the cabinet upgrade. 

At the moment you can get 5m/b download if you want to stay upto 3am in the morning but in the peak hours 6-11pm we are down to 0.5mb which with contempory internet services is as  much use as an ashtray on a motorbike. 

I reckoned install would be 5k-7k but not sure yet.  Financially it is mad but I have never been accused of being sane.  I could probably feed the cost through my business claim back gst and pretax savings etc so slightly reduced real cost.



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hotrok:

I reckoned install would be 5k-7k but not sure yet.  Financially it is mad but I have never been accused of being sane.  I could probably feed the cost through my business claim back gst and pretax savings etc so slightly reduced real cost.




5-7k would get your fibre trenched under 100m


Zeon: Those costs seem excessive compared to UFB installs which they won't be paying $8k for...? TimA....

Maybe if you dig the trench yourself etc. it could help?


Im not in a UFB area, There are no plans for the City side of Hauraki Corner in Takapuna. (I dislike you Chorus)
Thats the quote from chorus who was prepared at that expense to lay P2P Fibre.

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  Reply # 1040706 9-May-2014 10:41
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hotrok: You may be right, it was option given to me by Chorus.

The other option is to get the local community to upgrade the cabinet to allow adsl 2 (maybe vdsl ) which is 40 to 50k.  This may be a possibility and I am only 300m from the cabinet.

What they have told me is that the exchange as fibre to it to allow for faster internet but they wont upgrade the cabinet as there are only 50 houses to take advantage of this.  They would need 250-300 houses to make it a viable option unless the local community paid for the cabinet upgrade. 

At the moment you can get 5m/b download if you want to stay upto 3am in the morning but in the peak hours 6-11pm we are down to 0.5mb which with contempory internet services is as  much use as an ashtray on a motorbike. 


Hmm, I smell a conklin, in which case , as you say, there is little chance of being upgraded for the small number of customers it serves.

Can you give us a bitter idea of your location, there may be a RBI solution coming in the future, or you might be able to exploit a local fibre connection to a  school etc,



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  Reply # 1040720 9-May-2014 11:01
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I dont think it is a conklin and does have fibre to the cabinet and there is no upgrades coming.  The next cabinet 7k away did get the upgrade 20mb plus d/l (vdsl?).


The cabinet I am on is GLT/G.


With point to point wireless does one house pass the wireless onto the next etc.  This could be an option setting up a business etc.  Can wireless pass 200mb over it etc. Costs ?  
I would run the fibre to my house and then flick it off from there?

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  Reply # 1040732 9-May-2014 11:23
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I've seen people recommend ubiquity access points for this task in the past. You could either do a mesh setup where data goes via intermediate nodes or a direct setup where everything goes direct to a central point. This is non-trivial, you probably want someone with good networking knowledge to set this up. I'm fairly technical and I'm not sure I'd try it myself, it could take ages.

Wireless can pass 200mb over it, especially since you haven't specified how long it can take. 200Mbps, probably not, but that's not really required in practice. If you can get a good 20Mbps connection most things should work well, with a little patience for 1080p streaming and large downloads.




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