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Topic # 147186 11-Jun-2014 21:57
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Hi,

Recently I have heard of EUBA and have decided to have a look into it. From what I have read it is Ethernet over copper lines (unsure of this), is this correct? Also, I have a couple of questions about it:
1. What is it?
2. Where is it available?
3. Are the speeds faster than ADSL2+?

If someone could answer those questions that would be great.

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  Reply # 1063671 11-Jun-2014 21:57
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Hello... Our robot found some keywords in your post, so here is an automated reply with some important things to note regarding broadband speeds.

 



 

If you are posting regarding DSL speeds please check that

 



 

- you have reset your modem and router

 


 

- your PC (or other PCs in your LAN) is not downloading large files when you are testing

 

- you are not being throttled by your ISP due to going over the monthly cap

 


 

- your tests are always done on an ethernet connection to the router - do not use wireless for testing

 


 

- you read this topic and follow the instructions there.

 



 

Make sure you provide information for other users to help you. If you have not already done it, please EDIT your post and add this now:

 



 

- Your ISP and plan

 


 

- Type of connection (ADSL, ADSL2, VDSL)

 


 

- Your modem DSL stats (do not worry about posting Speedtest, we need sync rate, attenuation and noise margin)

 


 

- Your general location (or street)

 


 

- If you are rural or urban

 


 

- If you know your connection is to an exchange, cabinet or conklin

 


 

- If your connection is to a ULL or wholesale service

 


 

- If you have done an isolation test as per the link above

 



 

Most of the problems with speed are likely to be related to internal wiring issues. Read this discussion to find out more about this. Your ISP is not intentionally slowing you down today (unless you are on a managed plan). Also if this is the school holidays it's likely you will notice slower than usual speed due to more users online.

 



 

A master splitter is required for VDSL2 and in most cases will improve speeds on DSL connections. Regular disconnections can be a monitored alarm or a set top box trying to connect. If there's an alarm connected to your line even if you don't have an alarm contract it may still try to connect so it's worth checking.

 



 

I recommend you read these two blog posts:

 



 

- Is your premises phone wiring impacting your broadband performance? (very technical)

 


 

- Are you receiving a substandard ULL ADSL2+ connection from your ISP?




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  Reply # 1063683 11-Jun-2014 22:03
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EUBA is ADSL2+ on the Chorus network.
BUBA is ADSL1 and usually congested.
Enhanced, Basic bundled bitstream access.

BUBA can run ADSL2+ EUBA is just run over their network differently and more efficiently. 

 
 
 
 




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  Reply # 1063689 11-Jun-2014 22:08
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TimA: EUBA is ADSL2+ on the Chorus network.
BUBA is ADSL1 and usually congested.
Enhanced, Basic bundled bitstream access.

BUBA can run ADSL2+ EUBA is just run over their network differently and more efficiently. 

So is EUBA faster than ADSL2+? Or is it just ADSL2+ with PPPoE?




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  Reply # 1063694 11-Jun-2014 22:12
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dcole13:
TimA: EUBA is ADSL2+ on the Chorus network.
BUBA is ADSL1 and usually congested.
Enhanced, Basic bundled bitstream access.

BUBA can run ADSL2+ EUBA is just run over their network differently and more efficiently. 

So is EUBA faster than ADSL2+? Or is it just ADSL2+ with PPPoE?


Last time i read up its just ADSL2+



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  Reply # 1063696 11-Jun-2014 22:14
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TimA:
dcole13:
TimA: EUBA is ADSL2+ on the Chorus network.
BUBA is ADSL1 and usually congested.
Enhanced, Basic bundled bitstream access.

BUBA can run ADSL2+ EUBA is just run over their network differently and more efficiently. 

So is EUBA faster than ADSL2+? Or is it just ADSL2+ with PPPoE?


Last time i read up its just ADSL2+

Okay, thanks




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  Reply # 1063785 12-Jun-2014 07:22
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dcole13:
TimA: EUBA is ADSL2+ on the Chorus network.
BUBA is ADSL1 and usually congested.
Enhanced, Basic bundled bitstream access.

BUBA can run ADSL2+ EUBA is just run over their network differently and more efficiently. 

So is EUBA faster than ADSL2+? Or is it just ADSL2+ with PPPoE?


EUBA is the UBA product offering delivered over Ethernet rather than ATM.

Both ADSL, ADSL2+ and VDSL2 can be delivered as a EUBA product. ADSL and ADSL2+ can be delivered over ATM depending on the ASAM/DSLAM that it's connected to.

Most ISP's would have transitioned existing UBA customers to EUBA where they are serviced by an ISAM that supports EUBA.

Whether or not you use PPPoE depends on your ISP and modem supporting this. EUBA supports PPPoE with VLAN10 tagging on ADSL2+ but most hardware and ISPs won't support this, instead they still use PPPoA with no VLAN tagging. VLAN10 and non VLAN10 tagged traffic are delivered over different VLANs to your ISP.




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  Reply # 1063794 12-Jun-2014 08:18
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That's the bit I was looking for. Difference between over ATM Ethernet. Pppoa and pppoe.

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  Reply # 1081154 4-Jul-2014 19:32
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1. It's ADSL2+ with network quality of service. It offers substantially better VoIP performance

2. Wherever the Chrous pre-qual comes back as 'EUBA [number]' and assuming your ISP provisions the purchase order as EUBA. Note there is a BUBA version of ADSL2+ available which is slightly cheaper than EUBA.

3. No difference to speed directly on account of being EUBA, though EUBA connections are all from fibre fed cabinets afaik, so effectively may be faster especially during peak times. Either way it's still ADSL2+

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  Reply # 1081156 4-Jul-2014 19:35
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MichaelNZ: 1. It's ADSL2+ with network quality of service. It offers substantially better VoIP performance


EUBA0 (which is what 99.9% of EUBA users have) offers no QoS and will offer no benefit to VoIP.

It is possible to buy a EUBA plan with a CIR for VoIP, however there would be very few people out there who use this. Like UFB, to use the CIR you need to ensure traffic both downstream and upstream is tagged with the appropriate 802.1p tag


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  Reply # 1081158 4-Jul-2014 19:39
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sbiddle:
MichaelNZ: 1. It's ADSL2+ with network quality of service. It offers substantially better VoIP performance


EUBA0 (which is what 99.9% of EUBA users have) offers no QoS and will offer no benefit to VoIP.

It is possible to buy a EUBA plan with a CIR for VoIP, however there would be very few people out there who use this. Like UFB, to use the CIR you need to ensure traffic both downstream and upstream is tagged with the appropriate 802.1p tag



1. I am talking from 1st hand experience here. EUBA0 does not have a CIR guarantee but most certainly is far more reliable for VoIP.

2. I'm not aware of any ISP's supporting other than EUBA0, but if there is, I'd be interested to know who they are. (Out of curiosity only as I use VDSL2)

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  Reply # 1081169 4-Jul-2014 19:53
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MichaelNZ:
sbiddle:
MichaelNZ: 1. It's ADSL2+ with network quality of service. It offers substantially better VoIP performance


EUBA0 (which is what 99.9% of EUBA users have) offers no QoS and will offer no benefit to VoIP.

It is possible to buy a EUBA plan with a CIR for VoIP, however there would be very few people out there who use this. Like UFB, to use the CIR you need to ensure traffic both downstream and upstream is tagged with the appropriate 802.1p tag



1. I am talking from 1st hand experience here. EUBA0 does not have a CIR guarantee but most certainly is far more reliable for VoIP.

2. I'm not aware of any ISP's supporting other than EUBA0, but if there is, I'd be interested to know who they are. (Out of curiosity only as I use VDSL2)


More reliable than what? BUBA? Well, it's better for sure... Not sure I could prove more reliable...

Sbiddle is right though, there's no customer facing QoS on EUBA0.

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  Reply # 1081174 4-Jul-2014 19:59
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MichaelNZ:
sbiddle:
MichaelNZ: 1. It's ADSL2+ with network quality of service. It offers substantially better VoIP performance


EUBA0 (which is what 99.9% of EUBA users have) offers no QoS and will offer no benefit to VoIP.

It is possible to buy a EUBA plan with a CIR for VoIP, however there would be very few people out there who use this. Like UFB, to use the CIR you need to ensure traffic both downstream and upstream is tagged with the appropriate 802.1p tag



1. I am talking from 1st hand experience here. EUBA0 does not have a CIR guarantee but most certainly is far more reliable for VoIP.

2. I'm not aware of any ISP's supporting other than EUBA0, but if there is, I'd be interested to know who they are. (Out of curiosity only as I use VDSL2)


I got options for EUBA, 0, 40, 90 180 :)


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  Reply # 1081187 4-Jul-2014 20:25
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TimA:
MichaelNZ:
sbiddle:
MichaelNZ: 1. It's ADSL2+ with network quality of service. It offers substantially better VoIP performance


EUBA0 (which is what 99.9% of EUBA users have) offers no QoS and will offer no benefit to VoIP.

It is possible to buy a EUBA plan with a CIR for VoIP, however there would be very few people out there who use this. Like UFB, to use the CIR you need to ensure traffic both downstream and upstream is tagged with the appropriate 802.1p tag



1. I am talking from 1st hand experience here. EUBA0 does not have a CIR guarantee but most certainly is far more reliable for VoIP.

2. I'm not aware of any ISP's supporting other than EUBA0, but if there is, I'd be interested to know who they are. (Out of curiosity only as I use VDSL2)


I got options for EUBA, 0, 40, 90 180 :)



My prequal (thanks TimA) said the same... What does it mean though? :)

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  Reply # 1081188 4-Jul-2014 20:26
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PhantomNVD:
TimA:
MichaelNZ:
sbiddle:
MichaelNZ: 1. It's ADSL2+ with network quality of service. It offers substantially better VoIP performance


EUBA0 (which is what 99.9% of EUBA users have) offers no QoS and will offer no benefit to VoIP.

It is possible to buy a EUBA plan with a CIR for VoIP, however there would be very few people out there who use this. Like UFB, to use the CIR you need to ensure traffic both downstream and upstream is tagged with the appropriate 802.1p tag



1. I am talking from 1st hand experience here. EUBA0 does not have a CIR guarantee but most certainly is far more reliable for VoIP.

2. I'm not aware of any ISP's supporting other than EUBA0, but if there is, I'd be interested to know who they are. (Out of curiosity only as I use VDSL2)


I got options for EUBA, 0, 40, 90 180 :)



My prequal (thanks TimA) said the same... What does it mean though? :)


Stuff Talkiet can answer or someone from Chorus.
I know it isnt interleaving related so maybe QOS profiles.


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  Reply # 1081195 4-Jul-2014 20:38
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The number is the CIR in kb/s.

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