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Topic # 147410 18-Jun-2014 14:47
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Hey everyone I'm just curious if there are any RBI Fixed wireless customers out there that moved from a congested ADSL cabinet?
How they find the service ,cost, speeds, reliability , latency etc.
Apparently Truenet  is including the RBI fixed wireless in the coming months reports, will be interesting seeing the results.


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  Reply # 1068505 18-Jun-2014 14:47
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Hello... Our robot found some keywords in your post, so here is an automated reply with some important things to note regarding broadband speeds.

 



 

If you are posting regarding DSL speeds please check that

 



 

- you have reset your modem and router

 


 

- your PC (or other PCs in your LAN) is not downloading large files when you are testing

 

- you are not being throttled by your ISP due to going over the monthly cap

 


 

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- Your ISP and plan

 


 

- Type of connection (ADSL, ADSL2, VDSL)

 


 

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- If you are rural or urban

 


 

- If you know your connection is to an exchange, cabinet or conklin

 


 

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- If you have done an isolation test as per the link above

 



 

Most of the problems with speed are likely to be related to internal wiring issues. Read this discussion to find out more about this. Your ISP is not intentionally slowing you down today (unless you are on a managed plan). Also if this is the school holidays it's likely you will notice slower than usual speed due to more users online.

 



 

A master splitter is required for VDSL2 and in most cases will improve speeds on DSL connections. Regular disconnections can be a monitored alarm or a set top box trying to connect. If there's an alarm connected to your line even if you don't have an alarm contract it may still try to connect so it's worth checking.

 



 

I recommend you read these two blog posts:

 



 

- Is your premises phone wiring impacting your broadband performance? (very technical)

 


 

- Are you receiving a substandard ULL ADSL2+ connection from your ISP?




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  Reply # 1068523 18-Jun-2014 15:00
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I have moved a few people off those Conklins on to RBI Wireless and they are certainly happy with the result. Just beware speedtests don't always show the real result; so I show them a YouTube clip that doesn't buffer and they say wow I couldn't do that before!
Checkout these guys: http://www.ultimatebroadband.co.nz/
I do their Waikato / Auckland installs.





Chorus has spent $1.4 billion on making their xDSL broadband network faster. If your still stuck on ADSL or VDSL, why not spend from $150 on a master filter install to make sure you are getting the most out of your connection?
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  Reply # 1068562 18-Jun-2014 15:26
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coffeebaron: ; so I show them a YouTube clip that doesn't buffer and they say wow I couldn't do that before!




 What quality of youtube clip? 1080p?....what sort of speeds and latency do you typically get, best case  and worst etc.

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  Reply # 1068688 18-Jun-2014 17:28
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Yes I haved streamed 1080. Higher latency than non-congested xDSL, 50-100ms is typical. You can get some peak slowdown, but pretty much speeds of 3-5Mbps tend to be maintained during peak time. We tend to advertise 3-5Mbps speeds, but depending on the site & loading, we have customers that will hit over 10Mbps even during peak.
The RBI product tends to sit between fixed line and satellite in terms of price / latency & speed.




Chorus has spent $1.4 billion on making their xDSL broadband network faster. If your still stuck on ADSL or VDSL, why not spend from $150 on a master filter install to make sure you are getting the most out of your connection?
I install - Naked DSL, DSL Master Splitters, VoIP, data cabling and general computer support for home and small business.
Rural Broadband RBI installer for Ultimate Broadband and Full Flavour

 

Need help in Auckland, Waikato or BoP? Click my email button, or email me direct: [my user name] at geekzonemail dot com


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  Reply # 1068749 18-Jun-2014 18:13
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coffeebaron: Yes I haved streamed 1080. Higher latency than non-congested xDSL, 50-100ms is typical. You can get some peak slowdown, but pretty much speeds of 3-5Mbps tend to be maintained during peak time. We tend to advertise 3-5Mbps speeds, but depending on the site & loading, we have customers that will hit over 10Mbps even during peak.
The RBI product tends to sit between fixed line and satellite in terms of price / latency & speed.


Hey thanks for that informative answer, I appreciate that.

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  Reply # 1068770 18-Jun-2014 18:41
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Oh and next year will start the upgrades to 4G :)




Chorus has spent $1.4 billion on making their xDSL broadband network faster. If your still stuck on ADSL or VDSL, why not spend from $150 on a master filter install to make sure you are getting the most out of your connection?
I install - Naked DSL, DSL Master Splitters, VoIP, data cabling and general computer support for home and small business.
Rural Broadband RBI installer for Ultimate Broadband and Full Flavour

 

Need help in Auckland, Waikato or BoP? Click my email button, or email me direct: [my user name] at geekzonemail dot com


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  Reply # 1068799 18-Jun-2014 19:15
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Any option to move off a Conklin is favorable. Even RBI.

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  Reply # 1069159 19-Jun-2014 11:58
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If you use less than 30gb a month then I suggest it is definitely worth it for the small increase in cost.
Really depends how much you download and if you value speed over the cost of each gigabyte.

Me personally, I value the per gig cost more than the speed, but 400kbits would be my breaking point.
I schedule downloads between midnight and 6am so at that time most conklins get less congested and go up to about 1 or 2mbit which is okay, but for most people, its unacceptable to do it that way.




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  Reply # 1069166 19-Jun-2014 12:12
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I put my family onto fixed wireless connection with Lightwire because the exchange I was connected to was so congested, 12KBps was a regular speed for peak traffic hours. They eventualy upgraded the exchange so I could consistantly hit 2Mbps down and 0.5Mbps up (the woes of being 5km from the exchange!), but the lightwire connection give me 7Mbps down and 1Mbps up, which is significantly better considering I need to remote into their computers and fix things fairly regularly.
By putting our phoneline over VoIP with them we spend the same amount on 100gb of data as we did all up for a 240gb Slingshot plan. The data limit isn't a big issue for them, but speed certainly is.

Remember, RBI solutions (usually through vodafone) are overly expensive have tiny data caps in comparison to independant fixed wireless companies like Lightwire.



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  Reply # 1069188 19-Jun-2014 12:52
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All excellent comments coming through . I am still looking for some home users experiences using Vodafone RBI wireless . In particular latency and monthly billing ,data usage compared with there old DSL connection.

Keep the comments coming. 

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  Reply # 1069644 19-Jun-2014 23:54
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Axeman480: All excellent comments coming through . I am still looking for some home users experiences using Vodafone RBI wireless . In particular latency and monthly billing ,data usage compared with there old DSL connection.

Keep the comments coming. 

OK, well hopefully I will qualify as a 'Home User' according to your criteria.  We cannot get any useful ADSL service at our property because we are around 7km from the roadside cabinet.  So we've been using various forms of wireless internet connection since 2004.

I'm on Ultimate Broadband's 15GB plan and find that the average latency is between 60 and 80ms.  Each month we use at least 12GB and sometimes up to 15GB of data (2 of us in the house, with occasional use of streaming video, but no torrenting).

Ultimate use Vodafone's network in our area, and our nearest cellsite is 12km away.  Download speeds range between 5Mbps and 15Mbps depending on time of day and how much other activity is happening on our local cellsite.  I tested just now (almost midnight) and the speed measured 13.5Mbps down and 2.4Mbps up with 64ms ping.  I have seen upload speeds as high as 4.5Mbps during the middle of the night, but even at the more typical 2 or 3Mbps, it's still a huge improvement on ADSL with < 1Mbps upload speed.

What else did you ask ... oh yes, monthly billing.  Currently I'm paying $75 per month to Ultimate and another $11 per month to WxC for my VoIP phone service i.e. $86 all up.  I think that's pretty good value considering my location, and the services I'm getting.





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  Reply # 1069699 20-Jun-2014 07:49
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Incindre:

Remember, RBI solutions (usually through vodafone) are overly expensive have tiny data caps in comparison to independant fixed wireless companies like Lightwire.


It's also worth noting that while Vodafone and Telecom are building the RBI network, that Vodafone's pricing isn't the cheapest. There are a number of RBI providers, all of whom have differing prices.




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  Reply # 1071262 20-Jun-2014 19:14
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sbiddle:
Incindre:

Remember, RBI solutions (usually through vodafone) are overly expensive have tiny data caps in comparison to independant fixed wireless companies like Lightwire.


It's also worth noting that while Vodafone and Telecom are building the RBI network, that Vodafone's pricing isn't the cheapest. There are a number of RBI providers, all of whom have differing prices.



Yes one of the reason I am hesitant in getting RBI wireless or recommending it is cost. In most cases would be paying double what we pay now and considering how rich the internet is in 2014 the data caps need to be revaluated by com com on a year basis. Also I thought it was Chorus/ Vodafone for RBI build because it seems Telecom has forgotten they have  RBI obligations and palmed it over to Chorus . Telecom think of them as retail only except for there new LTE 700 4g network they are building. 

 

Key facts about Telecom's RBI build

 

  • The proposal includes the installation or upgrade of approximately 1,000 cabinets, extending Telecom's FTTN programme to deliver broadband speeds of 10Mbps deeper into rural New Zealand - from 84% of lines up to 92%.

  

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  Reply # 1071268 20-Jun-2014 19:41
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Axeman480:
sbiddle:
Incindre:

Remember, RBI solutions (usually through vodafone) are overly expensive have tiny data caps in comparison to independant fixed wireless companies like Lightwire.


It's also worth noting that while Vodafone and Telecom are building the RBI network, that Vodafone's pricing isn't the cheapest. There are a number of RBI providers, all of whom have differing prices.



Yes one of the reason I am hesitant in getting RBI wireless or recommending it is cost. In most cases would be paying double what we pay now and considering how rich the internet is in 2014 the data caps need to be revaluated by com com on a year basis. Also I thought it was Chorus/ Vodafone for RBI build because it seems Telecom has forgotten they have  RBI obligations and palmed it over to Chorus . Telecom think of them as retail only except for there new LTE 700 4g network they are building. 
Key facts about Telecom's RBI build

  • The proposal includes the installation or upgrade of approximately 1,000 cabinets, extending Telecom's FTTN programme to deliver broadband speeds of 10Mbps deeper into rural New Zealand - from 84% of lines up to 92%.



  


I'm not sure what you are expecting Telecom to be doing - all their fixed network assets are with Chorus so the RBI build you are referring to above is by Chorus.

While Vodafone build and own the towers other operators have access to them - Lightwire above is a good example. To be honest $115 for 100GB and phone line is pretty good value all things considered. It's dearer than ADSL but in a lot of cases will perform better as people has described above. I'd kill for even 2MBs up and I'm in the middle of Auckland with no chance of VDSL and fibre a long way off

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  Reply # 1071271 20-Jun-2014 20:02
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Axeman480: ...
Yes one of the reason I am hesitant in getting RBI wireless or recommending it is cost. In most cases would be paying double what we pay now and considering how rich the internet is in 2014 the data caps need to be revaluated by com com on a year basis.

I just had a look back at the flyer I was sent when I signed up for this service, just on 2 years ago now:

Broadband only: $75 per month
Broadband + phone: $85 per month
5GB data included

As you say, the data caps need to be re-evaluated periodically, and this has actually been happening.  Just last month, the data cap on the entry-level plan was increased to 15GB ... which is 3x what it was 2 years ago, for the same price!

Looks to me like things are going in the right direction cool





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