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Topic # 150472 23-Jul-2014 23:06
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Hey guys/ISP's,

Just wondering if there is a statistic or knowledge base on the speed increase on copper lines due to the congestion reduced as a byproduct of people/business on the Fibre network now? Are copper customers getting better quality service/speed these days?

Or maybe it's the same as people are increasingly using on demand services so there is the same strain on the copper network.

I'm a Fibre customer but just curious for my copper friends.


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  Reply # 1094585 23-Jul-2014 23:06
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Hello... Our robot found some keywords in your post, so here is an automated reply with some important things to note regarding broadband speeds.



If you are posting regarding DSL speeds please check that



- you have reset your modem and router



- your PC (or other PCs in your LAN) is not downloading large files when you are testing


- you are not being throttled by your ISP due to going over the monthly cap



- your tests are always done on an ethernet connection to the router - do not use wireless for testing



- you read this topic and follow the instructions there.



Make sure you provide information for other users to help you. If you have not already done it, please EDIT your post and add this now:



- Your ISP and plan



- Type of connection (ADSL, ADSL2, VDSL)



- Your modem DSL stats (do not worry about posting Speedtest, we need sync rate, attenuation and noise margin)



- Your general location (or street)



- If you are rural or urban



- If you know your connection is to an exchange, cabinet or conklin



- If your connection is to a ULL or wholesale service



- If you have done an isolation test as per the link above



Most of the problems with speed are likely to be related to internal wiring issues. Read this discussion to find out more about this. Your ISP is not intentionally slowing you down today (unless you are on a managed plan). Also if this is the school holidays it's likely you will notice slower than usual speed due to more users online.



A master splitter is required for VDSL2 and in most cases will improve speeds on DSL connections. Regular disconnections can be a monitored alarm or a set top box trying to connect. If there's an alarm connected to your line even if you don't have an alarm contract it may still try to connect so it's worth checking.



I recommend you read these two blog posts:



- Is your premises phone wiring impacting your broadband performance? (very technical)



- Are you receiving a substandard ULL ADSL2+ connection from your ISP?

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  Reply # 1094635 24-Jul-2014 07:23
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Their is no congestion on the copper network except for people in some areas who are stuck on ATM based kit such as Conklins and some ASAMS. As I'd pick there are very few (if any) people in these areas who would have fibre, the impact would be minimal.


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  Reply # 1094812 24-Jul-2014 11:32
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I think our OP is talking about inter pair cross-talk
(Think Go Large)

Back when Go Large was offered by Telecom, the extra cross talk between pairs running down the street in a trunk cable caused users 4.5kms from the DSLAM who would sync at a max of 400kbits then dropped to absolutely nothing - since they had the most interference to deal with, and all the extra data travelling down the lines was causing much more of it.

Since the cabinetisation program was rolled out, the loop lengths were shortened and so many of the users who are on these longer lines that are subject to cross-talk interference are probably not going to expierence the same issues.
They are also in areas where UFB is not being rolled out and so they probably wont see much of an improvement.

But there is still potential in some fringe areas to see sync speeds increase where you are ~3 to 4kms from a cabinet which may still be located within a UFB area.

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