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Topic # 151868 8-Sep-2014 13:36
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OK - I need to find a way to improve my upload speeds. New requirements mean I have to sync a massive amount data on a daily basis to a remote backup, and on some days this will be larger than the amount I can transfer overnight (3-4GB or more).

I'm currently on an ADSL2+ connection with Vodafone (Naked BB FS/FS). According to ISP "what can you get"-o-meters my address is ADSL2+ only.

I believe I'm connected to the Memorial Ave exchange in CHCH, however if I look at the Chorus maps, I'm 2 houses away from the ">20mbps" VDSL area served by what I believe is MMA/Q on Withell's Rd.

Enable haven't even included my street in the next year's plan, despite being 300m down the road. They have to connect Avonhead School, and unfortunately instead of continuing their progression southwest to include my street, they're going to overbuild Vodafone HFC all through Sockburn/Middleton, then build a tiny little extension northeast to connect the school.

So, my questions:

 

     

  1. Am I getting the most from my line? (see OrbMT output below - apologies for ze German). Feed from street is the old two wire thick copper stuff, I've installed a master filter that got me from ~4.5 down to just under ~12. Have dedicated ADSL Jack, isolated old wiring, and have Cat 5e everywhere past the filter.
  2. Do any providers in NZ support ADSL2+ Annex M for improved upload speeds? It doesn't appear that Vodafone do, at least - my modems just sync ADSL1 if I try to force Annex M on 2 or 2+.
  3. I'm only a couple of houses down from where VDSL is "technically" available - however as you can see below my line stats indicate a much longer SNR, and it appears that the street cabling goes toward the MMA exchange and not toward the MMA/Q cabinet. Is it possible to even get onto this cabinet? Or is this a hard wired topology thing that will never change?
  4. Would getting a second line installed get me on the other cabinet? Or is this a completely pointless exercise?
  5. Are there any other options, short of driving to a friend with unlimited fibre each night and begging? I've toyed with the idea of 3G/4G, but at $50/day for the amount of data I need it's.... absurd.

 


OrbMT output for reference. Middle boxes from L-R are Max Line Rates, RCO, SNR, Attenuation. Downstream on top.

My line attenuation is 26dB, but I have seen it at 21dB once or twice. It's also 21dB if I use ADSL2 (non+) or ADSL1 modes with my modem.





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  Reply # 1124287 8-Sep-2014 13:36
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Hello... Our robot found some keywords in your post, so here is an automated reply with some important things to note regarding broadband speeds.

 



 

If you are posting regarding DSL speeds please check that

 



 

- you have reset your modem and router

 


 

- your PC (or other PCs in your LAN) is not downloading large files when you are testing

 

- you are not being throttled by your ISP due to going over the monthly cap

 


 

- your tests are always done on an ethernet connection to the router - do not use wireless for testing

 


 

- you read this topic and follow the instructions there.

 



 

Make sure you provide information for other users to help you. If you have not already done it, please EDIT your post and add this now:

 



 

- Your ISP and plan

 


 

- Type of connection (ADSL, ADSL2, VDSL)

 


 

- Your modem DSL stats (do not worry about posting Speedtest, we need sync rate, attenuation and noise margin)

 


 

- Your general location (or street)

 


 

- If you are rural or urban

 


 

- If you know your connection is to an exchange, cabinet or conklin

 


 

- If your connection is to a ULL or wholesale service

 


 

- If you have done an isolation test as per the link above

 



 

Most of the problems with speed are likely to be related to internal wiring issues. Read this discussion to find out more about this. Your ISP is not intentionally slowing you down today (unless you are on a managed plan). Also if this is the school holidays it's likely you will notice slower than usual speed due to more users online.

 



 

A master splitter is required for VDSL2 and in most cases will improve speeds on DSL connections. Regular disconnections can be a monitored alarm or a set top box trying to connect. If there's an alarm connected to your line even if you don't have an alarm contract it may still try to connect so it's worth checking.

 



 

I recommend you read these two blog posts:

 



 

- Is your premises phone wiring impacting your broadband performance? (very technical)

 


 

- Are you receiving a substandard ULL ADSL2+ connection from your ISP?




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  Reply # 1124318 8-Sep-2014 13:57
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Did your put your address into the Vodafone VDSL address checker?

http://www.vodafone.co.nz/vdsl/

Getting a new / second line installed would not get you connected to different hardware

 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 1124322 8-Sep-2014 14:02
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No Annex M on the Chorus network, Ask kirdog, he made a HUGE fuss about it a month or so back. Plus your attenuation is too high @ 26 for VDSL.
I do beleive Slingshot offer Annex M on their own network.
hard wired topology thing that will never change

Very correct. never change. I offered to pay to splice a cable across to the bundle sitting next to it in the same hole to save a 440M round trip but nope.

I also see a high SNR margin, I would suggest your current line may have a fault or some serious cross talk.




 


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  Reply # 1124330 8-Sep-2014 14:12
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If upstream is really that vital, you may want to look at some HSNSLite options or similar. Cost will be significantly higher than your consumer ADSL though.




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  Reply # 1124331 8-Sep-2014 14:14
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Find a friendly person in the VDSL area and get a point to point wireless link

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  Reply # 1124332 8-Sep-2014 14:19
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RunningMan: Find a friendly person in the VDSL area and get a point to point wireless link


Or fibre?




 




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  Reply # 1124458 8-Sep-2014 16:07
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Thanks all. Not sure whether I'd be able to get away with a link to anyone with Fibre - VDSL perhaps, but none of the close neighbors I know have it, would have to venture down a bit further to find someone heh!

Annoyingly Merrin School (down the road) had an Enable fibre connection years before UFB. I didn't know this until after we moved in here, expected that we would probably be on the rollout earlyish :(

johnr: Did your put your address into the Vodafone VDSL address checker?

http://www.vodafone.co.nz/vdsl/

Getting a new / second line installed would not get you connected to different hardware


Yeah, address checkers give me ADSL only. Judging by what others have said above, that's probably topology related.

Do you know whether Vodafone have ULL equipment in the Memorial Ave exchange in Christchurch? I would imagine I would get a small boost on 6dB instead of 12dB SNRs? If so is there a way to get switched to this?



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  Reply # 1124517 8-Sep-2014 16:49
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Inphinity: If upstream is really that vital, you may want to look at some HSNSLite options or similar. Cost will be significantly higher than your consumer ADSL though.


Any idea on approximations? My consumer-grade ADSL works pretty well for the day job stuff, filled in with a 2degrees 3G stick on my Draytek for fallback in the event of ADSL death (which unfortunately does happen on a semi-regular basis with Vodafone).

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  Reply # 1124522 8-Sep-2014 16:55
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spronkey:
Inphinity: If upstream is really that vital, you may want to look at some HSNSLite options or similar. Cost will be significantly higher than your consumer ADSL though.


Any idea on approximations? My consumer-grade ADSL works pretty well for the day job stuff, filled in with a 2degrees 3G stick on my Draytek for fallback in the event of ADSL death (which unfortunately does happen on a semi-regular basis with Vodafone).


With Vodafone, Love how that bit snuck in :).
I heard of people paying around 200 a month for a basic plan for HSNS, Look at Voyager.




 


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  Reply # 1124644 8-Sep-2014 19:20
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spronkey:
Inphinity: If upstream is really that vital, you may want to look at some HSNSLite options or similar. Cost will be significantly higher than your consumer ADSL though.


Any idea on approximations? My consumer-grade ADSL works pretty well for the day job stuff, filled in with a 2degrees 3G stick on my Draytek for fallback in the event of ADSL death (which unfortunately does happen on a semi-regular basis with Vodafone).


Depends on speed and data requirements, last time we looked at it, it was something like $199+GST/month for the connection, then data packs on top. Can't remember what speed we were looking at, though.




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  Reply # 1124654 8-Sep-2014 19:54
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give compass a call, if they have an msan in yr exchange, they might be nice enough and apply the annex m policy, you will lose a little download sync tho, have you got a master filter?

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  Reply # 1124696 8-Sep-2014 21:13
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See if you can find a fixed wireless ISP in your area.
I know we give our subscribers at least 3mbits up - some get up to 20mbit upload.




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  Reply # 1124759 9-Sep-2014 01:19
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Someone posted in a previous thread that Slingshot can support AnnexM. But you have to be connected to an exchange (which you are) And that exchange has to be one that they have "unbundled" But this relates only to the equipment that they have installed. Got no idea if annexM plans are a standard offering or not from them.

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  Reply # 1125093 9-Sep-2014 14:56
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I believe even though slingshot, have the ability provide Annex M, they wont do it. 

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johny99: I believe even though slingshot, have the ability provide Annex M, they wont do it. 


Slingshot does do Annex M on their MSAN kit. Its enabled by default.



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