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Topic # 152025 13-Sep-2014 14:08
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Hey guys just a quick question.

 

Why, apart from Mass surveillance reasons must the Hawaaki cable come ashore in the USA, where it could have come offshore in a place like Japan?

 

Japan also has world class internet infrastructure, possibly more so then the US.

Not only that, but Japan is also more than 2000km closer, than the nearest place of land in mainland US.

Wouldn't it just seem reasonable if the new cable came ashore somewhere in Asia?

 

really with all the Mass surveillance documented by Snowden, and the massive classified intelligence site, where the SX cable first comes ashore, I'm just concerned the current cable, and plans for a new one, actually require the cable to go to the US, for interception reasons, other than convenience. 

 

 

 

Asia is far closer, and will have more than enough infrastructure to handle massive amounts of high speed data, so why does it have to go via the US?

 

 

 

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  Reply # 1127839 13-Sep-2014 14:08
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  Reply # 1127847 13-Sep-2014 14:14
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Who cares if your data gets intercepted (Doubt it even will), I doubt they want anything form some residential pr0n addict.
Your point is kind of moot as we will only access USA if we need content from there, Otherwise your traffic will go to AUS and from there....

It would also be funny if Snowden is a world class troll and what he is saying is BS.




 

 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 1127849 13-Sep-2014 14:17
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because US hosts most of the western content on the internet 





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  Reply # 1127851 13-Sep-2014 14:18
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TimA: Who cares if your data gets intercepted (Doubt it even will), I doubt they want anything form some residential pr0n addict.
Your point is kind of moot as we will only access USA if we need content from there, Otherwise your traffic will go to AUS and from there....

It would also be funny if Snowden is a world class troll and what he is saying is BS.

 

 

 

Wouldn't it make sense then, to build a cable that lands in Asia then, that doesn't need to go through Aus then?

 

 

 

Because a Fiber cable direct to Japan will mean faster loading for Asian, and European based sites, without needing to be routed around so many different hosts.

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  Reply # 1127853 13-Sep-2014 14:21
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If I'm playing on a server hosted in the US, I'd rather it not go via Japan/Korea first.

Also, most data that people in NZ want is likely hosted in Australia (thinking AWS, etc) or in the US.




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  Reply # 1127857 13-Sep-2014 14:23
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faster by a matter of a few ms

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  Reply # 1127871 13-Sep-2014 14:44
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I really don't think that the cable is mainly for spying reasons, as others have already stated most of the content that NZers access internationally is from Australia and the US. A cable to Japan/Asia would be seriously underutilised.





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  Reply # 1127935 13-Sep-2014 16:36
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We already have ample bandwidth to AUS and beyond.
We dont need a cable to japan...




 

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  Reply # 1127976 13-Sep-2014 17:33
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Most of the websites I visit aren't hosted in Japan. Like, none.

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  Reply # 1128043 13-Sep-2014 19:55
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PaulZA: so why does it have to go via the US?

When was the last time you signed up for Netflix.jp??:)

If most of your final connections are oing to be in the US, why add complexity and cost by having to buy extra capacity on a Jpn-US cable

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  Reply # 1128050 13-Sep-2014 20:13
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Mass surveillance OMG the US will see what we post on public forums

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  Reply # 1128052 13-Sep-2014 20:15
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quickymart: Most of the websites I visit aren't hosted in Japan. Like, none.


Sushi sites maybe or some Japanese prawn

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  Reply # 1128054 13-Sep-2014 20:23
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There won't be surveillance, the cable will be fitted with thousands of tin foil hats




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  Reply # 1128071 13-Sep-2014 20:59
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KiwiNZ: There won't be surveillance, the cable will be fitted with thousands of tin foil hats


I hear they've decided to just wrap the entire length of the cable in tin foil...

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Reply # 1128083 13-Sep-2014 21:35
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johnr:
quickymart: Most of the websites I visit aren't hosted in Japan. Like, none.


Sushi sites maybe or some Japanese prawn


i lol'd way too hard at that




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