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#173810 7-Jun-2015 12:06

The Wairoa District Council is planning a metropolitan WiFi network for the town. Who owns the backhaul out of Wairoa? I presume there is fibre between Napier and Gisborne, but is it open for new wholesalers or retailers to use? The reason I ask is that the council's plan is to rate residents whether they use the new service or not. This will allow the council to undercut the existing suppliers and so make Chorus's copper system redundant. I can't see why Chorus should be happy with this, and simultaneously offer access to the backhaul out of the town.

Thanks in advance for replying.

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#1318652 7-Jun-2015 12:14

At a bare minimum there would be Chorus backhaul. This is open for anybody to use at normal published rates.

There could well be fibre from other providers such as Vocus or Vodafone.

A WiFi system is not and never will be replacement for Chorus broadband services. The council really are smoking a lot of something bad..

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#1318653 7-Jun-2015 12:15

' Chorus's copper system redundant ' Put that on a Tui Billboard

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#1318666 7-Jun-2015 12:25

I just read the document.. http://www.wairoadc.govt.nz/docs/council_services/ltp/2015/4%20-%20Wairoa%20Wi-Fi%20(low%20res).pdf

All I can say is WTF.. very loudly.

This whole document and business model has been written by somebody who is clearly so far outside their realm of knowledge it's truly unbelievable - and has obviously sucked the council into thinking it's actually a good idea.

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#1318667 7-Jun-2015 12:29

Thanks again for the rapid replies. Here is a link to the proposal. http://www.wairoadc.govt.nz/docs/council_services/ltp/2015/4%20-%20Wairoa%20Wi-Fi%20(low%20res).pdf The PDF file is a Powerpoint presentation and there are lots of slides that just set the scene. Skip on to Page 28 and go from there. The District Council have put this proposal into their draft 10 year plan.

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#1318668 7-Jun-2015 12:32

Hi Steve

Thanks again. I am new to GeekZone and wasn't sure if I was allowed to ask for comments. I appreciate your comments very much.

Regards

Mark Rodgers

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#1318676 7-Jun-2015 13:06

I'm all for people having grand visions, but just because somebody has an idea doesn't mean it's a good one. What they propose has so many fundamental issues that it would never ever be able actually work well at all.

It's the sort of concept that 10 years ago when people thought WiFi was a great idea and it was in it's growth phase would have been deployed - and was deployed. Right now it's just sinking money down the drain.

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#1318684 7-Jun-2015 13:22

After reading the document - WTF.

There is VDSL in Wairoa.

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#1318686 7-Jun-2015 13:27

I laughed when it said "70% of issues will typically be fixed with reboot"

Ongoing Costs...

500Mb International Data Connection? They are only going to buy 500Mb of International data on their 10GB Internet Connection?

And its only going to Cost $5000/Month for the "Internet" part of the Proposal. hahahahhh

There are so many holes in their commercial proposal to the Council...

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#1318691 7-Jun-2015 13:33

More holes than swiss cheese

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#1318694 7-Jun-2015 13:43

I'd hate to think what the cost of a 80Gbit (10GB) fibre link is in Auckland let alone Wairoa.

If they can't even get the units right they have no hope in this working correctly.

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#1318712 7-Jun-2015 14:50

LennonNZ: I laughed when it said "70% of issues will typically be fixed with reboot"

I just came here to say this. When I read that line I knew for sure everything else before was just some rambling.

The ongoing costs, the "free webhosting", the mixed MB/s with Mbps... Everything is just so crazy, it's kind of unbelievable.

Having Facebook available to everyone won't bring business to town. Saying "possibilities are endless" won't bring business to town.

The document says "100 Mbps is five times more than needed for a home" and the town already have VDSL, so this is covered. And VDSL is a lot better than WiFi. Not sure what other problem they are trying to solve then.

Pointless is the world.

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#1318720 7-Jun-2015 15:29

This reminds me of that episode of The Simpsons where that slick sales man tried to sell Springfield a monorail.*

Marge vs the Monorail

*Because most events that occur in life can be related to something in The Simpsons.

Whatifthespacekeyhadneverbeeninvented?

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#1318759 7-Jun-2015 16:30

freitasm: [snip] Not sure what other problem they are trying to solve then.

They define their problem fairly well at the beginning - Urbanization of New Zealand and Rural Flight.

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#1318774 7-Jun-2015 16:58

They define a problem. Not sure WiFi is the solution.

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#1318778 7-Jun-2015 17:05

I can see the point of doing something like this as a digital-divide thing, but you're not going to have tech companies converging on Wairoa due to the free Wifi.

The main take-away from the graphs in that PDF is "internet is expensive relative to income" and the probable cause of that is "incomes are low."

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