Connecting ONT->Router, Router->LAN (switch), and Router ATA using only 2 CAT6 runs

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spronkey

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#189188 19-Dec-2015 19:39

Hi all,

I'm working with a house with structured wiring, cat 6 runs to various locations throughout the house, all terminating in a panel in the garage. The house has UFB, the ONT is installed in the panel in the garage, along with a network switch, and a telephone distribution board.

ISP is 2degrees, LFC is enable (so no VOIP via the ONT) - I've talked to 2d about this and we came to the conclusion that they can't think of a way to make it work how I want. However I'm wondering whether anyone else might have had some luck.

I want to have my router (a Fritz!Box) in a location on the other side of the house, that has two runs of Cat 6 between it and the garage panel. Right now, I've got analogue phone ports working around the house as well as wifi, with the following setup:

ONT LAN 1 patched to port connected to Fritz Box LAN 1
Telephone distribution board is patched to port connected to Fritz!Box FON 1 (ATA port)

However, I can't seem to get a config working that also allows me to use the Fritz!Box as my internet gateway and DHCP server for the wired network. I've tried the following:
ONT LAN 1 -> switch port 1 (garage), Fritz Box LAN 1 -> switch port 2, computer -> switch port 3, but it appears that in this configuration the Fritz!Box doesn't listen to any traffic.

Is there any way I can have all three functions working without running a third cable run (i.e. setup i'm running now, plus Fritz LAN 2 -> switch)? Can i use 100mbit and ATA on the same cable, two pairs each, leaving me a separate port for gigabit between Fritz LAN 2 and switch? Or is this going to cause me issues?

Thanks all!

RunningMan

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#1453647 19-Dec-2015 19:45

spronkey: Can i use 100mbit and ATA on the same cable, two pairs each, leaving me a separate port for gigabit between Fritz LAN 2 and switch? Or is this going to cause me issues?

This is the answer. You can get plug in splitters that use 2 pairs each, so would be limited to 100Mb/s if used for ethernet. As long as you only have 100/100 UFB, then use a 100Mb/s link from the ONT.

sbiddle

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#1453650 19-Dec-2015 19:57

Your solution is a splitter as mentioned above. If you want Gigabit your solution is hardware at each end to create some VLAN's across your network so the WAN and LAN can both be carried across a single cat6 run and the voice over the other.

richms

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#1453651 19-Dec-2015 20:04

Use dect built into the fritz and dont worry about distributing phone?

Richard rich.ms

chevrolux

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#1453657 19-Dec-2015 20:44

Couple of little Mikrotik's (or managed switch), some VLAN's and bob's your uncle.

spronkey

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#1453725 20-Dec-2015 01:17

sbiddle: Your solution is a splitter as mentioned above. If you want Gigabit your solution is hardware at each end to create some VLAN's across your network so the WAN and LAN can both be carried across a single cat6 run and the voice over the other.

When you say gigabit - I assume you mean from ONT to router? Or would I need to split the data and leave a whole cable for analogue voice, leaving all data to and from the router as 100mbit?

richms: Use dect built into the fritz and dont worry about distributing phone?

Considered this, but already have some Uniden handsets that are annoyingly incompatible

darkasdes2

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#1453759 20-Dec-2015 08:38

What's the reason for having the fritzbox on the other side of the house?
Would another AP do the trick if it's for wifi as the patch panel, switches, ONT, phone distribution is in the garage?

spronkey

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#1453833 20-Dec-2015 11:29

darkasdes2: What's the reason for having the fritzbox on the other side of the house?
Would another AP do the trick if it's for wifi as the patch panel, switches, ONT, phone distribution is in the garage?

I could use another AP yeah, but the Fritz Box in centre of house has coverage that is good enough, so was hoping to avoid the expense.

It also doesn't fit in the damn patch cabinet - the AVM routers are huge, and it's power supply is a stupid long tall shape!

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#1453850 20-Dec-2015 12:01

An extra AP is the simplest way. There are no doubt ways to achieve it, but you'll give up performance (maybe), add complexity, or add cost. An AP isn't expensive and may be worth the money for a simple network.