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Topic # 190680 8-Jan-2016 16:39
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With a UFB install to a rental property, what is required as owner consent?

Does the owner have to sign something for Chorus? Or can the tenant do the signing but have the onus on them to have it cleared by the owner in regards to property damage?

In the owner has to sign situation, is their rental agent able to do that on their behalf or does it have to be the actual property owner?

Thanks.

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  Reply # 1466045 8-Jan-2016 16:41
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I am still waiting for UFB to get installed - just FYI however in my case during the scope stage the Chorus tech either hands you paperwork for your landlord to sign and return or if your landlord is present they'll just request them to sign it there and then. The landlord doesn't have to be present for the installation.






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  Reply # 1466047 8-Jan-2016 16:43
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michaelmurfy: I am still waiting for UFB to get installed - just FYI however in my case during the scope stage the Chorus tech either hands you paperwork for your landlord to sign and return or if your landlord is present they'll just request them to sign it there and then. The landlord doesn't have to be present for the installation.


So in my upcoming case, where the property owner lives in Auckland, I post the paperwork to them after the scope has been done, and they post it back before install day?

Thanks for your prompt replies :-)

 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 1466061 8-Jan-2016 16:53
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scottjpalmer:
michaelmurfy: I am still waiting for UFB to get installed - just FYI however in my case during the scope stage the Chorus tech either hands you paperwork for your landlord to sign and return or if your landlord is present they'll just request them to sign it there and then. The landlord doesn't have to be present for the installation.


So in my upcoming case, where the property owner lives in Auckland, I post the paperwork to them after the scope has been done, and they post it back before install day?

Thanks for your prompt replies :-)


Yep spot on. Chorus will refuse to do an UFB installation without the owner's consent (in theory). Might be best to ask the property owner about installing UFB before the scoping phase just to see if they've got any requirements since in our case our landlord wanted to ensure the ONT gets installed in a specific area so got sparkies around to install a powerpoint / run the hybrid cable in the house out to the ETP to where the ONT is going to go.

Worked well for me since he saw I had a server so thought everything can be installed in a cupboard all nicely :)




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  Reply # 1466065 8-Jan-2016 17:05
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Interesting. I got my install done a couple of years ago and was never once asked for consent from the landlord though I expected to be. Probably helped that I had been living in the house for 19 years at that stage :)





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  Reply # 1466079 8-Jan-2016 17:19
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From a Chorus install perspective

scottjpalmer: Hi all

With a UFB install to a rental property, what is required as owner consent?


The person requesting the install is the one responsible for signing that they have consent.

Does the owner have to sign something for Chorus? Or can the tenant do the signing but have the onus on them to have it cleared by the owner in regards to property damage?


The person requesting the install signs that they have the property owners consent on the electronic/paper version of the 'Consent to Install Form'. They can seek permission then sign (after the scope visit) but a copy of the signed consent must be with the Installers before they take any steps on inside the property boundary to do the install.

In the owner has to sign situation, is their rental agent able to do that on their behalf or does it have to be the actual property owner?


That's up to the Requestor/Landlord/Property Mngr/Rental Agent to sort out between them and nothing to do with the Install Consent as in the end its actally the Requestor that has to sign.

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  Reply # 1466082 8-Jan-2016 17:26
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Cheers for the info. It explains what happened in my situation :)







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  Reply # 1466084 8-Jan-2016 17:28
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InstallerUFB: From a Chorus install perspective

scottjpalmer: Hi all

With a UFB install to a rental property, what is required as owner consent?


The person requesting the install is the one responsible for signing that they have consent.

Does the owner have to sign something for Chorus? Or can the tenant do the signing but have the onus on them to have it cleared by the owner in regards to property damage?


The person requesting the install signs that they have the property owners consent on the electronic/paper version of the 'Consent to Install Form'. They can seek permission then sign (after the scope visit) but a copy of the signed consent must be with the Installers before they take any steps on inside the property boundary to do the install.

In the owner has to sign situation, is their rental agent able to do that on their behalf or does it have to be the actual property owner?


That's up to the Requestor/Landlord/Property Mngr/Rental Agent to sort out between them and nothing to do with the Install Consent as in the end its actally the Requestor that has to sign.


Excellent thanks, I will get consent from landlord in writing for my own benefit but great to hear I can sign without jumping through landlord/owner ink on paper hoops.

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  Reply # 1466110 8-Jan-2016 17:42
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scottjpalmer: Hi all

With a UFB install to a rental property, what is required as owner consent?

Does the owner have to sign something for Chorus? Or can the tenant do the signing but have the onus on them to have it cleared by the owner in regards to property damage?

In the owner has to sign situation, is their rental agent able to do that on their behalf or does it have to be the actual property owner?

Thanks.



I never asked my landlord, just did it and told them about it afterwards.  They were so impressed that they got it for their own house as well




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  Reply # 1466290 9-Jan-2016 01:07
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I've had it installed twice in two different rented properties. They ask you for the owners consent, but when they come to install they just make the person on-site sign a form saying that you have obtained consent from the owner. You don't actually need the property owner to sign anything. However, by signing you effectively indemnify Chorus if the landlord has a problem with the install. 

In both cases however I've let the landlord know that I'm getting fibre installed, and in both cases they have been more than happy as long as the installer does a clean job.

My suggestion, is to get something from the landlord in writing that he allowed the UFB install before you order. Otherwise, your landlord might try to come after you if they don't like the installation (e.g. damage getting the cabling into the house etc). 

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In both cases however I've let the landlord know that I'm getting fibre installed, and in both cases they have been more than happy as long as the installer does a clean job.

My suggestion, is to get something from the landlord in writing that he allowed the UFB install before you order. Otherwise, your landlord might try to come after you if they don't like the installation (e.g. damage getting the cabling into the house etc). 


I agree. I have read on a property investor forum recently about a landlord taking a tenant to the Tenancy Tribunal after the tenant got UFB installed without his consent, and the install method caused potential weather tightness issues. The landlord was going the tenant for the cost of having the UFB removed and the weather tightness issues put right. I'm unsure if there has been an outcome yet, but it is definitely something of a test case for the Tenancy Tribunal I imagine.......

I am all for any of my tenants getting UFB if they so wish, but I'd hope they approach me beforehand so I can liaise with the scoper on a suitable route and method before work commences.




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  Reply # 1467280 10-Jan-2016 23:25
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I think that there should be no way that a landlord can refuse UFB to be installed, and if they have any specific requirements about the installation over and above the basic chorus/other LFC install then they should be the ones to foot the bill for it.

Outrageous that approval is needed for a basic service to be installed.




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  Reply # 1467293 11-Jan-2016 04:49
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I wonder when new-fangled inventions like electricity and the telephone came along, if some land lords back then had a similar resistance to change?

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  Reply # 1467336 11-Jan-2016 08:58
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DarthKermit: I wonder when new-fangled inventions like electricity and the telephone came along, if some land lords back then had a similar resistance to change?

Probably!

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richms: I think that there should be no way that a landlord can refuse UFB to be installed, and if they have any specific requirements about the installation over and above the basic chorus/other LFC install then they should be the ones to foot the bill for it.

Outrageous that approval is needed for a basic service to be installed.


You get that the landlord OWNS the house right?

And that most UFB installs will involve drilling a hole through the wall from the outside, not to mention other work on the property (potentially cutting up driveways, running cables etc).

Would you be happy if a tenant of a house you owned went ahead and got holes drilled in your house without even notifying you? Or that you were forced to allow someone to do so, even if you didn't want it done?

I agree that 99% of landlords shouldn't have a problem with it, but tenants don't have free reign to do whatever to property they don't own.

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  Reply # 1467380 11-Jan-2016 10:07
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Yes, and you are aware that someone else is paying money for the use of that property to live in, so preventing them from getting the services that are needed to live is a pretty crappy thing to do.

Im not saying that they should have holes drilled without notifying, or having it done in a way that they do not like it to be done, just that when a tenant wants UFB (or cable, or sky, or whatever common normal modern services they want inorder to live a decent life) that the landlord should not be able to refuse, or expect the tenant to have to contribute towards any design changes that they want.

Electricity and a means of cooking and heating are items that a landlord must provide. I see no reason that telecommunications should not also be one of those.




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