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#195612 26-Apr-2016 16:25

My place is scheduled for UFB in September this year so I'm trying to get my 1920s bungalow ready and tidy up my network at the same time. I'm looking at putting in a 9RU 10" wide mini cabinet (http://www.pbtech.co.nz/index.php?z=p&p=CHSDNX1018&name=Dynamix-R10WM9D-9RU-Mini-Cabinet-for-10-Panels----) and relocating my switches, router etc from my home office into the cabinet to be placed in a cupboard towards the back of the house. My main question is do Chorus have requirements about where the ONT is to be placed, will Chorus force me to put the ONT near the front of the house? I've heard that because our power and telephone are currently aerial drops the fibre will be the same, the telephone currently comes in above the master bedroom and I'm not keen to have any equipment in there (the built in wardrobes are going to be ripped out at some point). Ideally I'd like to place it all in a large cupboard at the back of the house as it's where the manhole is and it'll be easy to drop cables down behind the walls, and most importantly it's out of the way.

I was also wondering where do they put the demark point when it's an aerial drop, is it up in the roof or could it go in the cupboard as well?

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#1542324 26-Apr-2016 16:31

I had fibre installed a couple of weeks ago.

Fibre in our street is aerial (on the power poles), but the lead-in to our house is underground.

They pulled/blew the fibre through the existing conduit into to the current phone ETP, and put the Fibre ETP on the wall above that. I have a linen cupboard in about the middle of our house, and asked for the ONT to go in there (it has power, and a LAN connection that I installed back to the TV/AV cabinet in the lounge, where I wanted the Router.

This was no issue for them, the ran the fibre under the house, pinning it to the joists under the floor then up into the cupboard. Very tidy, and the ONT sites happily in there blinking away where it annoys no-one except the vacuum cleaner.

Our house is very easy access underneath though - no crawling or getting dirty - it is mostly on poles.

I think that, within reason, they will put the ONT where you want it. The easier you make it for them, the better I suppose.

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#1542343 26-Apr-2016 17:00

meesham:

My place is scheduled for UFB in September this year so I'm trying to get my 1920s bungalow ready and tidy up my network at the same time. I'm looking at putting in a 9RU 10" wide mini cabinet (http://www.pbtech.co.nz/index.php?z=p&p=CHSDNX1018&name=Dynamix-R10WM9D-9RU-Mini-Cabinet-for-10-Panels----) and relocating my switches, router etc from my home office into the cabinet to be placed in a cupboard towards the back of the house. My main question is do Chorus have requirements about where the ONT is to be placed, will Chorus force me to put the ONT near the front of the house? I've heard that because our power and telephone are currently aerial drops the fibre will be the same, the telephone currently comes in above the master bedroom and I'm not keen to have any equipment in there (the built in wardrobes are going to be ripped out at some point). Ideally I'd like to place it all in a large cupboard at the back of the house as it's where the manhole is and it'll be easy to drop cables down behind the walls, and most importantly it's out of the way.

I was also wondering where do they put the demark point when it's an aerial drop, is it up in the roof or could it go in the cupboard as well?

As with everything, it depends. Your picture doesnt say where the street is, but I'm guessing its where the telephone and power are facing. Chorus are under no obligation to put it where its most convenient for you, especially if it means a longer job and more costs. Normally they try to put it behind the TV - which in your case looks like the lounge - then IF you've order Voice over Fibre, connect the Telephone master socket to the FXS port on the ONT or ISP Device depending on who you're with. That way cheap copper wiring feeds the POTS service and your internet is in the house. Obligations met.

SO.... can you run an Ethernet connection from the Lounge to the Blue square in the bathroom? Or are you willing to lay extra conduit with drawstring so for chorus a fibre pullthrough is 15 mins long and not 120? and will you pay the extra for the longer fibre run?

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#1542349 26-Apr-2016 17:16

trig42:

I had fibre installed a couple of weeks ago.

Fibre in our street is aerial (on the power poles), but the lead-in to our house is underground.

They pulled/blew the fibre through the existing conduit into to the current phone ETP, and put the Fibre ETP on the wall above that. I have a linen cupboard in about the middle of our house, and asked for the ONT to go in there (it has power, and a LAN connection that I installed back to the TV/AV cabinet in the lounge, where I wanted the Router.

This was no issue for them, the ran the fibre under the house, pinning it to the joists under the floor then up into the cupboard. Very tidy, and the ONT sites happily in there blinking away where it annoys no-one except the vacuum cleaner.

Our house is very easy access underneath though - no crawling or getting dirty - it is mostly on poles.

I think that, within reason, they will put the ONT where you want it. The easier you make it for them, the better I suppose.

Same, except my underfloor access is non existent. They run the fibre up the wall where the copper ETP is, and ran through ceiling, down a wall. No problem, and no issue for the scoping, "where do you want the ONT?"

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#1542455 26-Apr-2016 21:34

Hi Meesham

Don't be relying on a quick aerial installation

Fibre got buried in the street (Wellington) in August 2014. When finished I contacted ISP to get connected. No go because while the street was laid, it still wasn't connected to the exchange. Three months later, just before Christmas, the exchange connection happened.

Early January 2015 got a call from ISP that Chorus would be coming to connect the house on 9 Jan. Chorus tech turned up on 6 Jan for preinstallation site inspection. First thing he said to me was "Well, it won't be happening on Friday because we need to get consent from Wellington Electricity to use its power pole".

Fibre finally got strung up (aerial) to the outside of the house on 16 February 2015.

Here's hoping the power pole consent process is a lot faster these days.

The inside crew turned up the next day, ran a cable down the outside of the house, drilled a hole in, attached the TP box (I think it’s called) then asked me where I wanted the ONT. Smack in the middle of the house please. No problem, they ran the cable under floor (crawlspace) drilled through the floorboards, pulled the cable up and put the ONT exactly where I wanted it.

Cheers, Gobit

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#1542470 26-Apr-2016 22:15

When we had fibre installed, I showed the tech on his first visit where I wanted the ONT put.

I installed my own conduit from the FTP, under the house, complete with a draw string to make the guy's job easier.

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#1542550 27-Apr-2016 08:06

Gobit:

Early January 2015 got a call from ISP that Chorus would be coming to connect the house on 9 Jan. Chorus tech turned up on 6 Jan for preinstallation site inspection. First thing he said to me was "Well, it won't be happening on Friday because we need to get consent from Wellington Electricity to use its power pole".

Fibre finally got strung up (aerial) to the outside of the house on 16 February 2015.

Here's hoping the power pole consent process is a lot faster these days.

The consent process for Wellington electricity is typically 2-3 weeks depending on whether a physical pole assessment is required.

Outside Wellington it depends entirely on the agreement Chorus has with the lines company.

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#1542560 27-Apr-2016 08:43

meesham:

I was also wondering where do they put the demark point when it's an aerial drop, is it up in the roof or could it go in the cupboard as well?

My understanding is that the demark point (ETP) has to be installed externally, near ground level.

From seeing a few aerial installs up in Auckland, the standard approach seemed to be to have the aerial cable attached to the fascia, as you normally would for a the phone cable, then down the wall of the house in conduit to the ETP near ground level. From there, the cable would typically either go under the house through a subfloor vent, through the cladding to an ONT behind, or back up the wall in conduit into the ceiling space.

UFB is being installed in our street at the moment, and we are also an aerial drop. I'm planning on running some conduit for them to use, as per a previous thread.

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#1542616 27-Apr-2016 10:20

When they finally did our install after a lot of mucking around they ran fibre about 15m from the ETP and through floor to position our ONT in a internal location that suited us. Wasn't a dead simple job and was done for no extra charge.

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#1542669 27-Apr-2016 11:30

meesham:

My place is scheduled for UFB in September this year so I'm trying to get my 1920s bungalow ready and tidy up my network at the same time. I'm looking at putting in a 9RU 10" wide mini cabinet (http://www.pbtech.co.nz/index.php?z=p&p=CHSDNX1018&name=Dynamix-R10WM9D-9RU-Mini-Cabinet-for-10-Panels----) and relocating my switches, router etc from my home office into the cabinet to be placed in a cupboard towards the back of the house. My main question is do Chorus have requirements about where the ONT is to be placed.

Yes - not in any wet areas (generally - kitchen, Laundry, Bathroom), not under the floor or in the ceiling.

In your case the ONT can be installed either on the wall under your cabinet

will Chorus force me to put the ONT near the front of the house?

No - suggest front of hse? - may be but you are not forced to put it there - it is normaly installed where the router logicaly will be installed (behind TVs - high internet use areas, home office, comms cabinets etc)

I've heard that because our power and telephone are currently aerial drops the fibre will be the same

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the telephone currently comes in above the master bedroom and I'm not keen to have any equipment in there (the built in wardrobes are going to be ripped out at some point). Ideally I'd like to place it all in a large cupboard at the back of the house as it's where the manhole is and it'll be easy to drop cables down behind the walls, and most importantly it's out of the way.

I was also wondering where do they put the demark point when it's an aerial drop, is it up in the roof or could it go in the cupboard as well?

There is no such thing as a demark as such with UFB (the actual demark/s is the sockets on the bottom of the ONT)

but if you're thinking of the FTB (Fibre termination box) then there are options and these depend on what type of fibre connection ( this is if it the blown fibre or fixed fibre install - generally you may not be able to work out what type of connection you will get. both can and are delivered via aerial connection) and also access (ceiling / under floor) and copper integration requirements.

The FTB is always fitted off on the outside of residential installs.

Your best option (IMO) to make you install go to your plan and to help the installers is to have a pathway in the ceiling from near where the phone line comes in to above you cupboard and run a Cat5/6 from your cupboard back to the existing copper ETP, to take voice from either the ONT or your Router back to your existing jkpts.

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#1542675 27-Apr-2016 11:43

Excellent, thanks everyone. It sounds like I'm safe enough to get the cabinet set up now and start moving all my equipment into there. There's easy access in the roof space from the top of the cupboard to where the phone line comes into the house - there's even lighting up there installed by a previous owner, so if the FTP can be at the side of the house of the front bedroom it should work quite well.

One last question - is there any requirement for an FTP to be a certain distance from gas bottles?

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#1542679 27-Apr-2016 11:54

meesham:

Excellent, thanks everyone. It sounds like I'm safe enough to get the cabinet set up now and start moving all my equipment into there. There's easy access in the roof space from the top of the cupboard to where the phone line comes into the house - there's even lighting up there installed by a previous owner, so if the FTP can be at the side of the house of the front bedroom it should work quite well.

One last question - is there any requirement for an FTP to be a certain distance from gas bottles?

I wouldn't think so. There is nothing 'live' in them.

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#1542882 27-Apr-2016 16:07

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meesham:

Excellent, thanks everyone. It sounds like I'm safe enough to get the cabinet set up now and start moving all my equipment into there. There's easy access in the roof space from the top of the cupboard to where the phone line comes into the house - there's even lighting up there installed by a previous owner, so if the FTP can be at the side of the house of the front bedroom it should work quite well.

One last question - is there any requirement for an FTP to be a certain distance from gas bottles?

I wouldn't think so. There is nothing 'live' in them.

yes there is -

Direct quote from Chorus install Doc

Various AS/NZS standards detail an exclusion zone for gas regulators for reticulated gas supply and for gas cylinders housed outdoors. No potential sources of ignition can be installed within this zone. A telecommunications ETP (fibre or copper) cannot be installed within the gas regulator exclusion zone.
In order to comply with AS/NZS Standards no new fibre or copper ETPs can be installed within the Gas Regulator Exclusion Zone.
 ASNZS 3000 - Electrical Installations (known as the Australian/New Zealand Wiring Rules) outlines the Exclusion Zone measurements for Gas Cylinders and Reticulated Gas Supply regulators.
 ASNZS 4645 – Gas Distribution Networks outlines the requirement for gas regulators to have sufficient safe clearances from various building features including sources of ignition.
 ASNZS 60079 – Explosive Gas Atmospheres defines sources of ignition.
Any network transitioning the exclusion zone is required to be housed in continuous duct without any joints or junctions.
For NGA installs where the fibre ETP would normally replace the copper ETP, and the existing copper ETP is situated within the exclusion zone, the copper ETP should be left alone. A new fibre ETP outside the exclusion zone will need to be installed. Where a copper backfeed is required, this should be completed at the nearest jackpoint internally, or at the ITP – whichever is most convenient.

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Depending on the type of regular/bottle etc - will depend on the distance - but it is from 400 to 3500mm and this is speced in the chorus install docs for all situations (specifics from the standards in plan installer english :-) )

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#1542915 27-Apr-2016 16:46

Thanks for the gas regs, I'll have to read them as I am pondering a charging point on garage wall if I go down the electric car line which about 5 m from the two large gas cylinders attached to the side of the house along the driveway.

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#1543267 28-Apr-2016 10:50

Just a quick note regarding copper line phones.

Our install was done in a way that allowed the connection between copper phone lines and fibre to happen at the ETP where the copper line and fibre both enter the house.

I don't know the tech details but there was no requirement to run phone lines into the cupboard where the ONT and modem are.

Mike

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