Multiple IPs with Gigabit

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ToucanSam

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#217931 19-Jul-2017 03:26

TL:DR; Who offers gigabit with multiple IPs?

Hey guys,

I'll be looking for a new ISP soon and am a little out of date with the current offerings. I've been looking at BigPipe who offer a static IP for a once off $45. Does anyone know if they offer multiple IPs or are there any other providers who offer gigabit with multiple IP addresses? I'm well aware that not all services may be available at my address. I just want to know what's out there.

I play games with mates (host a server or two), run a couple of web services (personal use, not public), and run a VPN for accessing the rest. I *COULD* just change the port on the VPN, but it's not as smooth looking to use vpn.example.com:1234.

Edit: Second question. Does gigabit get bounced to an ethernet by default or does your modem/router need to have fibre connectivity options?

Cheers,

- Toucan

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kiwirock

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#1824884 19-Jul-2017 05:06

If your router supports NAT (network address translation) you just map the external port to the port in question of the private IP address of the server/machine on your internal network.

A port mapping for 80 for example, if you had a domain pointing to your public IP, you wouldn't need to put in a port number to reach your web server. By default http is port 80 anyway etc...

Most games will run on a default port also. Unless you run your server on a user defined port in which case you'd still need to set this in your gaming client. If you ran two game servers, you just setup a port forward for the second one on a different port.

Obviously a different public IP for each would be more handy in that instance. But it also gets messy setting up a router for multiple public IP addresses (if you still want Firewalled security etc...). This I doubt will come cheap at all, or be offered on a residential connection period.

As for gigabit, ethernet supports gigabit. Obviously you need a gigabit Internet connection if that's the kind of speed you're looking for. It won't make downloads from a single server from overseas much faster than the distance will allow. But multiple downloads and game connections etc... would benefit if you're that hard core. Personally don't need 100Mbps (but have it) little own 1Gbps fibre.

You're router/modem would need to support gigabit ethernet ports. You'd need ethernet cable that supports it also, and the interfaces on your machines. If not, your machines could still connect at 100Mbps each etc... and use a slice of the gigabit Internet connection. Generally gigabit is offered over fibre from the ISP. Vodafone do gigabit cable in Welly and Chch. Everything inside doesn't need to be fibre to the machines. Just your ISP mdoem/router. Then ethernet takes over from there to simplify things.

When you say VPN, do you run a VPN server for people to connect to you, or you run a VPN client to surf the interwebby thingy through a VPN provider?

I use a VPN provider that supplies me with a static public IP, it makes reaching my mobile setups easier in remote locations so I don't need a static public IP on whatever Internet connection I use. I don't think though you can get an account like that for multiple public IP's via VPN either. It would cost a lot. Although I also have a public static IP on my home fibre connection.

I used to be with Bigpipe, loved them and had the static IP with on-off charge. Now I pay per month to Spark for a static IP because I couldn't wait for Bigpipe to offer fibre where I am when it became available. Fibre is worth it, until I can change ISP later down the track.

chevrolux

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#1824938 19-Jul-2017 07:49

Yea doesn't sound like you need a public subnet. If you have a handful of web services you want available just use a reverse proxy.

IPv6pipe

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#1824953 19-Jul-2017 08:22

We don't provide multiple IPv4 addresses sorry - one IPv4 address per connection, be it behind CGNAT or a public, static one.

If you join and want IPv6 we can assign you a /60, or 295147905179352825856 IPv6 addresses. :)

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#1824959 19-Jul-2017 08:30

Have a look at mod-proxy for Apache if you're running Linux. You only need either virtual hosts or a proxy (like nginx or Apache) - there is no need at all for multiple IP addresses.

I run many different hobby-type web services from home on a BigPipe connection.

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#1824963 19-Jul-2017 08:54

I may be remembering incorrectly but I'm sure I've seen discussions previously about Vocus backed providers being able to provide /29's on request (at a suitable cost of course). May have only be available for business connections though.

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#1824973 19-Jul-2017 09:08

If you join and want IPv6 we can assign you a /60, or 295147905179352825856 IPv6 addresses. :)

/60?, how non-standard of you :)

deadlyllama

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#1824987 19-Jul-2017 09:41

I run HAProxy to stick multiple virtual servers behind one IP. It can sniff the SNI portion of HTTPS connections, so I even get HTTPS virtual hosting. The HAProxy machine acts as a router for the virtual servers, so I can transparently proxy the connections, which means that the virtual server sees the source IP of the proxied connection as the source IP of the real client.

DarkShadow

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#1825026 19-Jul-2017 10:59

You could request a SFP option if you're signing up for business grade fibre, and plug your fibre straight into the router.

For residential grade fibre (Bitstream 2), you don't have that option. There will be an ONT inside your house which will convert the fibre into 1000BASE-T and you plug your router into that using standard ethernet cables.

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#1825189 19-Jul-2017 13:39

Just to piggy back on this, I'd also like to hear about ISP's that offer this, both residential and business plans. I'm going to need to find an ISP that can offer my employer a UFB plan with a /29 in the not too distant future, and I'd dearly love one for home as well if somewhere offers it at a reasonable price :-)

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chevrolux

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#1825196 19-Jul-2017 13:45

I think 2degrees were doing a /29 on residential.

For business you have the pick of the likes of DTS, Voyager, Solarix, Vibe (not in any particular order). They are able to provide pretty much anything from standard stuff through to a proper connection with VLANs, BGP, etc.

snowfly

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#1825284 19-Jul-2017 14:50

I have a static IP and a /30 with 2 Degrees, on gigabit fibre.

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#1825422 19-Jul-2017 18:34

chevrolux:

I think 2degrees were doing a /29 on residential.

For business you have the pick of the likes of DTS, Voyager, Solarix, Vibe (not in any particular order). They are able to provide pretty much anything from standard stuff through to a proper connection with VLANs, BGP, etc.

Cheers. The first two were on my radar for work, I'll add the other two.

ToucanSam

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#1825578 19-Jul-2017 23:44

Ok, apparently I wasn't clear enough.

I'm technically competent. While I appreciate the responses, I asked about multiple IPs for a reason. I specifically DID NOT ask about how to forward ports. Responses below are in no way reflective of frustration towards anyone. :)

Kiwirock

I am fully aware of NAT, thank you. I've also used SNI for hosting multiple websites on the same domain. Likewise with port 443. I also understand what ports various games run on and what kind of speed I'm looking for.

I also know that CAT5/6 supports gigabit speeds, but that's different than trunking a fibre optic cable. My question was if an ISP was going to leave me with the bare end of a fibre cable or give me ethernet. From the sound of your response, they leave you with an ethernet cable. DarkShadow's answer was a bit more clear. Thanks.

Regarding the VPN, I run one myself to connect back to internal services at my house.

Chevrolux

Thanks. Already doing that with NGINX/HAProxy and still would like at least a second IP address.

IPv6pipe

That's too bad. Good to know though. You guys should really consider offering additional IPv4 addresses.
Regarding the IPv6, is that the same $45 for a static or is that free because 295 quintillion addresses in /60? :)

MichaelMurfy

Already use NGINX/HAProxy for things. Definitely useful. Still want a second IP though.

Kingjj

Neat! Thanks. v4 addresses are not cheap any more. :(

deadlyllama

Generally this works pretty well and I've used NGINX/HAProxy extensively. I appreciate the suggestion. I asked about a second IP because I was genuinely interested in one. I probably should of explained my use case in more detail.

DarkShadow

That's what I was wondering. Thanks for that.

cherolux

Ah! I had to Google more specifically. You get the 100mbit package and then pay for the "booster" it seems? Either way, thanks!

snowfly

Thanks! had to be more specific with my Googling. What's the cost of the /30? This would be perfect.

Thanks again for all the responses. Options to consider now!

- Toucan

ToucanSam

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#1825583 20-Jul-2017 01:11

chevrolux:

For business you have the pick of the likes of DTS, Voyager, Solarix, Vibe (not in any particular order). They are able to provide pretty much anything from standard stuff through to a proper connection with VLANs, BGP, etc.

Having a read on the business ISPs, they look significantly more expensive. Le sad.

I don't need SLAs or anything since it's just for home/hobby use. DTS was $230/mo with a 24 month contract for gigabit where as BigPipe is currently $130/mo and no contract.

Steep! I'm generally pretty surprised too because at least with fibre in Europe extra IPs are pretty standard. Business lines generally get issued a /29 right from the beginning.

ToucanSam

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#1825594 20-Jul-2017 05:13

For anyone else interested, this post has a picture of the fibre setup with ONT where you can see all the cabling.

https://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?forumid=66&topicid=216707

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