Are the copper cables redundant now?

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#224210 7-Nov-2017 18:38

If a house has fibre installed, are the copper cables now redundant?

My brother managed to cut his while installing a new fence, he has fibre, does it need to be repaired if its no longer in use?

Also, at our house we are currently having drains relaid, the drain layers asked the same question (probably giving us the opportunity to pull them out now)

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#1897052 7-Nov-2017 18:40

Id assume they still belonged to chorus...... But if you have fiber they are redundant as copper is being switched off 2022 in a recent media release.

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#1897054 7-Nov-2017 18:41

My parents got fibre few weeks back and the copper from the pole to the house was removed the internal copper around the house is still used for home phones

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#1897060 7-Nov-2017 18:54

when Chorus installed my fibre they asked me if i still wanted the copper connection , i said no so they removed it.

Common sense is not as common as you think.

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#1897062 7-Nov-2017 19:02

If fibre is installed, i'd use it.

Personally i'd probably have a second copper line, but that's because i'm a geek and simply like my toys....

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#1897646 8-Nov-2017 16:26

phantomdb: Id assume they still belonged to chorus...... But if you have fiber they are redundant as copper is being switched off 2022 in a recent media release.

Copper is not being turned off from 2022. Before that can happen a new law needs to be passed which has only just started it process in Parliament, Chorus are still working on the termination code to agree how they will do it and the notice terms and all existing customers have to be given fibre (at no install cost to themselves) before it can be removed.

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#1899441 11-Nov-2017 22:48

I would keep the copper, there could be some reason to reactivate it oneday, who knows what the next disaster will be. If they removed overhead copper, they may have still replaced it with a composite cable that has copper in it even though its redundant. This is not the same as obsolete, copper lines still have their uses.

Time to find a new industry!

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#1899454 12-Nov-2017 00:22

If chorus have their way there will be nothing to connect it to in the street soon enough, so I wouldnt bother getting it repaired if it was damaged during rennovations.

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#1899507 12-Nov-2017 09:09

phantomdb: Id assume they still belonged to chorus...... But if you have fiber they are redundant as copper is being switched off 2022 in a recent media release.

Ahem, POTS is being switched off, not the copper. How else do you think people will be able to have DSL broadband? (do you actually see fibre being completed to the entire nation by 2022)?

Edit, no different to when AMPS/DAMPS was switched off i.e. the cell network before 2g/3g bands took its place.

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#1899543 12-Nov-2017 11:11

phantomdb: Id assume they still belonged to chorus...... But if you have fiber they are redundant as copper is being switched off 2022 in a recent media release.

Copper is not being switched off in 2022. Can you please post a link to this media release?

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#1899546 12-Nov-2017 11:23

quickymart:

phantomdb: Id assume they still belonged to chorus...... But if you have fiber they are redundant as copper is being switched off 2022 in a recent media release.

Copper is not being switched off in 2022. Can you please post a link to this media release?

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/89320659/Broadband-proposals-mean-Chorus-can-say-bye-bye-to-copper

"You will have to make the switch to UFB or wireless broadband, sooner rather than later.

That is because network company Chorus won't have to provide a copper phone and broadband service in UFB areas after 2020.

Chorus is likely to turn off the copper network in major towns and cities over a period of many years, perhaps after first upping its wholesale pricing.

If you don't want broadband at all, you will be able to buy a phone-only service delivered over the UFB network."

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/91700178/Spark-promises-minimal-disruption-as-it-prepares-to-scrap-landline-technology-from-1876

http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/4268865/Next-gen-issues-for-Telecom

Telecom is due to turn off the ageing Public Switched Telephone Network (PSTN) and migrate customers to internet telephony (VoIP) in stages between 2012 and 2020.

https://company.chorus.co.nz/file/48863/Effect-of-fibre-on-copper-bitstream-prices.pdf

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#1899548 12-Nov-2017 11:32

Using Stuff as a source? Naughty!

As far as I'm aware, there are no current plans to get rid of copper, just POTS.

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#1899563 12-Nov-2017 12:06

They are getting rid of it by neglect. Leave it to die and noone will be using it soon enough.

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#1899591 12-Nov-2017 13:54

phantomdb:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/91700178/Spark-promises-minimal-disruption-as-it-prepares-to-scrap-landline-technology-from-1876

http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/4268865/Next-gen-issues-for-Telecom

Telecom is due to turn off the ageing Public Switched Telephone Network (PSTN) and migrate customers to internet telephony (VoIP) in stages between 2012 and 2020.

Switching off the PSTN network essentially would be a seamless process, infact there are many out there already using BBIP with no idea.

The difference is, the copper is terminated into IP traffic far closer to the customer.

in some cases, this could actually offer a far more improved service.

Some legacy products don't work too well on IP ofcourse, but generally this is not an issue.

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#1899599 12-Nov-2017 14:10

hio77:

The difference is, the copper is terminated into IP traffic far closer to the customer.

in some cases, this could actually offer a far more improved service.

I believe that there are still some places around that cant get caller ID on the old junk gear that spark are still operating. May as well run it till its redundant I suppose, and then deploy IP kit and for those still using it for data too bad.

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#1899674 12-Nov-2017 16:40

What about UFB areas where they can't get fibre (jerk neighbour who won't give consent, for example) so therefore they can't get fibre? Do you think Chorus will just switch off their copper connection, leaving them with nothing?

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