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#1405486 14-Oct-2015 09:50

BDAKiwi: My first experience with the series was FO3 and I loved it, but wasn't so keen on NV. Played Skyrim to death too. Looking forward to FO4 in a big way, even though it's probably going to be like the Borderlands series - more of the same dressed in better / different clothes. Even so, I'm excited. My wife will roll her eyes and settle in for another month of loneliness as I disappear into another enthralling game.

You can buy Steam games cheaper via the G2A store (digital only - pay your money, get a Steam game key) but if you don't like it, Steam's money back guarantee won't apply. I've purchased several games this way with no problems, new titles often 30% cheaper than the Steam store. FO3 GOTY is $25 on Steam but $12 on G2A. FO4 is $100 on Steam and $85 on G2A.
Before G2A I'd get my friends in the US to gift me a game and them paypal it back to them. I've asked Steam why their games are so expensive in NZ and their standard reply was 'prices are set for each market' which I guess means they are pricing around brick-and-mortar stores. By choice (they make more money) or by legislation / trade agreements I'm not sure. All my software is digital now, I haven't bought a software disk for a loooooooong time and none of my friends do either so this 'protectionism' (if that's what it is) seems rather pointless.

saving 15% i would rather buy from steam than G2A. saving 40% or more then I'd happily use kinguin/g2a. You have to love steams refund policy, I refunded 2 games in the last month or so, they were on sale, thought I'd give them a try and didnt like them so go my money back. Takes a few days though.

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#1405507 14-Oct-2015 10:06

I refuse to use G2A with the insidious ways keys have been attained in the past.

I've seen countless stories of people tricking devs into thinking they are someone form Youtube or a major site then selling the keys via G2A and other bad stuff like that. so for me it just feels wrong, as you arent supporting the game creators etc. (the reasons most people judge piracy, in my eyes applies to sites like that).

Just my views though, if I'm dropping $50+ on game I'd rather spend 10 more bucks and not feel icky.

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#1405514 14-Oct-2015 10:10

drunkmonk: I refuse to use G2A with the insidious ways keys have been attained in the past.

I've seen countless stories of people tricking devs into thinking they are someone form Youtube or a major site then selling the keys via G2A and other bad stuff like that. so for me it just feels wrong, as you arent supporting the game creators etc. (the reasons most people judge piracy, in my eyes applies to sites like that).

Just my views though, if I'm dropping $50+ on game I'd rather spend 10 more bucks and not feel icky.

agree, but if the price is 10%-20% (so 80-90% cheaper) on a graymarket site like G2A or kinguin (i prefer kinguin) I would use those sites. It can be a PITA at times that steam sells the same game higher in NZ than they do in other countries (although we seem to be getting pretty good prices on games lately).

also people buy games on sale in bulk and then onsale them for a profit, if I missed a sale, I rather pay a few buckets more than the sale price than either pay full price or wait for a potential future sale.

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#1405542 14-Oct-2015 10:27

reven: agree, but if the price is 10%-20% (so 80-90% cheaper) on a graymarket site like G2A or kinguin (i prefer kinguin) I would use those sites. It can be a PITA at times that steam sells the same game higher in NZ than they do in other countries (although we seem to be getting pretty good prices on games lately).

also people buy games on sale in bulk and then onsale them for a profit, if I missed a sale, I rather pay a few buckets more than the sale price than either pay full price or wait for a potential future sale.

That's fair. But a lot of those buying in sales in bulk is usually buying bulk when there is a pricing error, which Steam honors to be GC's, and then on selling them still feels wrong.

Regional pricing is normal though. We pay less for games now (especially via steam) than we did 20 years ago. That's crazy when you account for inflation. And then regional pricing has its issues where if our dollar tanks people would be whinging they need to pay $200 for a game when they paid $120 the year before. Regional pricing Vs riding the international market is a boring and tedious argument.

So yea I don't mind dropping $90 for Fallout 4, when it cost me $120 to buy Crash Bandicoot 2 15+ years ago.

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#1405559 14-Oct-2015 10:58

drunkmonk: I refuse to use G2A with the insidious ways keys have been attained in the past.

I've seen countless stories of people tricking devs into thinking they are someone form Youtube or a major site then selling the keys via G2A and other bad stuff like that. so for me it just feels wrong, as you arent supporting the game creators etc. (the reasons most people judge piracy, in my eyes applies to sites like that).

Just my views though, if I'm dropping $50+ on game I'd rather spend 10 more bucks and not feel icky.

I wouldn't be using a site like G2A at all if the prices weren't screwed up.
There's a suggestion that G2A buy games cheap in bulk from poorer countries who don't pay as much then on-sells them in countries that pay a lot more. The issue I have is that in NZ we pay a lot more than the US does. Digital distribution doesn't cost more so why the extra cost? If we were paying a roughly equivalent price I wouldn't bother with G2A at all, even if they are cheaper. Call it a protest, if you like.
Yes the price gap has closed as the years have gone by, but that's just as likely due to sites like G2A than anything else.

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#1405585 14-Oct-2015 11:27

BDAKiwi:
drunkmonk: I refuse to use G2A with the insidious ways keys have been attained in the past.

I've seen countless stories of people tricking devs into thinking they are someone form Youtube or a major site then selling the keys via G2A and other bad stuff like that. so for me it just feels wrong, as you arent supporting the game creators etc. (the reasons most people judge piracy, in my eyes applies to sites like that).

Just my views though, if I'm dropping $50+ on game I'd rather spend 10 more bucks and not feel icky.

I wouldn't be using a site like G2A at all if the prices weren't screwed up.
There's a suggestion that G2A buy games cheap in bulk from poorer countries who don't pay as much then on-sells them in countries that pay a lot more. The issue I have is that in NZ we pay a lot more than the US does. Digital distribution doesn't cost more so why the extra cost? If we were paying a roughly equivalent price I wouldn't bother with G2A at all, even if they are cheaper. Call it a protest, if you like.
Yes the price gap has closed as the years have gone by, but that's just as likely due to sites like G2A than anything else.

To each to their own.

I would say prices have significantly dropped for PC because of steam, not people abusing the system. Steam stopped giving a toss about brick and mortar because they didn't have hardware to push, and as such brick and mortar had to compete with steam.

Consoles have to sell hardware and you cant download hardware, and as such a lot of gaming still requires those stores. for their infrastructure etc. and for NZ to be a market worth selling in there has to be a profit (as we are a tiny country). Also their a costs to localizing to each country.

so right now 60USD is just over 90NZD, which most AAA games I have seen on steam release for. so its about par. Same for physical, I'm getting Fallout 4 for 90 bucks from JB. So its on par because of the exchange rate.

Id be interested to know how far your protest would go:
If the exchange rate kept assing up and it became cheaper to buy games in NZ would you pay more to stick to your guns?
As your issue is with us having a standard price, so surely you would pay $200 NZD for a new game instead of $120 because you would want to ride the exchange rate train....surely?

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#1405592 14-Oct-2015 11:31

drunkmonk: Same for physical, I'm getting Fallout 4 for 90 bucks from JB. So its on par because of the exchange rate.

you could save $10 from nzgameshop, or a lot more if buying a steam copy. ill probably buy my steam copy from them, I got mad max day of release for nzd$35 from there, cheapest I found. theyre not a grey market site, just a global site with country specific frontends.

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#1405594 14-Oct-2015 11:33

reven:
drunkmonk: Same for physical, I'm getting Fallout 4 for 90 bucks from JB. So its on par because of the exchange rate.

you could save $10 from nzgameshop, or a lot more if buying a steam copy. ill probably buy my steam copy from them, I got mad max day of release for nzd$35 from there, cheapest I found. theyre not a grey market site, just a global site with country specific frontends.

Yea I weighed that up, I only use NZGameshop if I don't want to play a game ASAP. I want to play Fallout 4 on release day on console so it was worth the extra few bucks for me.

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#1405819 14-Oct-2015 17:43

I have only added payment methods in NZD, USD and pounds to steam, and since the dollar tanked have found NZD to always be the cheapest. Im sure they will catch up and put them all up soon enough, but for now $10NZ us $8US for things seems to be about the norm.

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#1405909 14-Oct-2015 19:34

drunkmonk:
BDAKiwi:
drunkmonk: I refuse to use G2A with the insidious ways keys have been attained in the past.

I've seen countless stories of people tricking devs into thinking they are someone form Youtube or a major site then selling the keys via G2A and other bad stuff like that. so for me it just feels wrong, as you arent supporting the game creators etc. (the reasons most people judge piracy, in my eyes applies to sites like that).

Just my views though, if I'm dropping $50+ on game I'd rather spend 10 more bucks and not feel icky.

I wouldn't be using a site like G2A at all if the prices weren't screwed up.
There's a suggestion that G2A buy games cheap in bulk from poorer countries who don't pay as much then on-sells them in countries that pay a lot more. The issue I have is that in NZ we pay a lot more than the US does. Digital distribution doesn't cost more so why the extra cost? If we were paying a roughly equivalent price I wouldn't bother with G2A at all, even if they are cheaper. Call it a protest, if you like.
Yes the price gap has closed as the years have gone by, but that's just as likely due to sites like G2A than anything else.

To each to their own.

I would say prices have significantly dropped for PC because of steam, not people abusing the system. Steam stopped giving a toss about brick and mortar because they didn't have hardware to push, and as such brick and mortar had to compete with steam.

Consoles have to sell hardware and you cant download hardware, and as such a lot of gaming still requires those stores. for their infrastructure etc. and for NZ to be a market worth selling in there has to be a profit (as we are a tiny country). Also their a costs to localizing to each country.

so right now 60USD is just over 90NZD, which most AAA games I have seen on steam release for. so its about par. Same for physical, I'm getting Fallout 4 for 90 bucks from JB. So its on par because of the exchange rate.

Id be interested to know how far your protest would go:
If the exchange rate kept assing up and it became cheaper to buy games in NZ would you pay more to stick to your guns?
As your issue is with us having a standard price, so surely you would pay $200 NZD for a new game instead of $120 because you would want to ride the exchange rate train....surely?

Abusing the system? Not sure how you come to that conclusion, if Steam considered it abuse they'd block the keys. Steam are still getting paid, just not as much as they overcharge us.
Also this '...insidious ways keys have been attained in the past... I've seen countless stories of people tricking devs into thinking they are someone form Youtube or a major site then selling the keys via G2A...' Come on mate, you should become a fiction writer. I did have a look for these insidious tales but didn't find any, even from the usual crop of screaming conspiracy theorist types.
You should also take the time to read the discussion before you hit send, I have already said 'if we were paying a roughly equivalent price' I'd buy from Steam. I still do, it's just the way-off priced software that I obtain from G2A. Steam also don't object, they just make it clear that if there's a problem, tough titties you won't get a refund from them (obviously, but I sure some people would try).

When I see a Steam game for NZD$120 and my mates in the US get the same game for USD$60, I cry foul. I used to just get them to buy it for me and gift it, and I'd paypal them back. It's cheaper to do that than G2A and the Steam refund setup still applies, but I don't like to hassle them so G2A it is.
'Course, I guess you see gifting as abusing the system too? Ask Steam, I did and they seemed surprised that I bothered to ask, yes of course that's OK.
Extending your logic I can't buy games when they're on sale either because that's be abusing the system, the cheek, wanting to get it for a better price.

Anyway, this is pointless, beside the point and decidedly not the point of this thread. We were originally discussing the excitement of a new Fallout release. I remain excited (or as excited as I get, in my cynical old age) and I'm looking forward to it.

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#1405920 14-Oct-2015 20:02

You can't have looked very hard if you missed the drama where people in large bought keys of farcry using stolen credit cards and onsold the keys via g2a.

I don't think I'd make good fiction if I'm just writing facts which were written on a wide selection of news sites.

As I say I'm not judging if people want to buy keys from the g2a, just most arguments against piracy also apply for grey market sites like that.

Just the "paying the same price I paid 20 years ago is just too darn much" argument is a major pet peeve of mine, because people want to pay US dollars but would whinge their asses off if games doubled in price in a year due to the exchange rate.

Anyway Fallout is going to be amazing.

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#1422086 6-Nov-2015 04:03

Just saw this:

http://www.engadget.com/2015/11/05/fallout-4-pip-boy-app-download/

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#1422087 6-Nov-2015 04:08

And a little later, this:

http://www.engadget.com/2015/11/04/you-can-drive-cars-from-fallout-4-in-forza-motorsport-6/

The hype is building.

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#1423418 9-Nov-2015 07:16

Just got a text from EB games with an invite to attend the release party at Botany and collect my Fallout4 Pipboy edition at Midnight.

Unfortunately I have had to decide not to go. I will just collect from Manukau tomorrow afternoon.

Can't wait for this to arrive, I have decided that my horse will get a couple of days off so I can get some gaming in!

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#1423426 9-Nov-2015 07:50

So annoyed that EB got the exclusive on it here, so am going the amazon route, so will have to wait on the reshipper before I get mine. But not giving EB any money.

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