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#119518 4-Jun-2013 14:21

Hi There!

I am surprised the reviews are so bad, a lot of people were expecting more clearly.

Now I am stuck, I have a i7 920 overclocked to 3.8Ghz, 12GB memory, 3 x SSD's in a RAID 0, and a GTX680. Wondering if a i7 4770K with 16GB is a reasonable upgrade and wondering if my existing case will be ok, (Antec P182B), seems like the backplates are different, anyone know if the dimensions are the same?

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#830494 4-Jun-2013 14:25

They aimed for better power efficiency which they seem to have managed with Haswell. Will have to wait for few laptops/tablets/ultrabook reviews to back this up 100%. The GPU is also 25% odd better in performance.

Do whatever you want to do man.

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#830495 4-Jun-2013 14:27

billgates: They aimed for better power efficiency which they seem to have managed with Haswell. Will have to wait for few laptops/tablets/ultrabook reviews to back this up 100%. The GPU is also 25% odd better in performance.

Well in a desktop, better power efficiency isn't the biggest factor and since I don't need onboard graphics....

Seems like it's just about the mobile stuff for Intel this time around.

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#830496 4-Jun-2013 14:28

Don't know what everyone was expecting

Still, ~10% gain with lower power consumption is pretty good in my opinion

Ivy -> Haswell isn't worth it but Sandy -> Ivy would be worth looking in to

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#830497 4-Jun-2013 14:30

JamesL: Don't know what everyone was expecting

Still, ~10% gain with lower power consumption is pretty good in my opinion

Ivy -> Haswell isn't worth it but Sandy -> Ivy would be worth looking in to

I think the i7 920 is a generation before Sandy correct?

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#830499 4-Jun-2013 14:33

networkn:
Well in a desktop, better power efficiency isn't the biggest factor and since I don't need onboard graphics....

Seems like it's just about the mobile stuff for Intel this time around.

Mobile computing is where the world in heading. The current crop of Ivy Bridge CPU's are powerful enough to run any kind of application as it is. Pushing the cores to a higher clock speed is the least of anyone's worry in today's age. It's about the battery life and graphics performance.

Do whatever you want to do man.

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#830500 4-Jun-2013 14:34

You're probably right, I can't remember what it's called now

Couple of examples with the i7 920 in it

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#830504 4-Jun-2013 14:43

Bearing in mind that his 920 is overclocked - using Cinebench multithread as a guide, it scores 20000-22000 with that sort of OC, putting it not far behind stock sandy bridge.

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#830505 4-Jun-2013 14:46

eXDee: Bearing in mind that his 920 is overclocked - using Cinebench multithread as a guide, it scores 20000-22000 with that sort of OC, putting it not far behind stock sandy bridge.

The review I read last night said something along the lines that the i7 4770K wasn't really worth overclocking for some reason (heat perhaps)? I thought that was strange given they use less power, but then I don't really understand any of that stuff, makes my head hurt. I used to be really into it.

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#830506 4-Jun-2013 14:46

networkn: Hi There!

I am surprised the reviews are so bad, a lot of people were expecting more clearly.

Now I am stuck, I have a i7 920 overclocked to 3.8Ghz, 12GB memory, 3 x SSD's in a RAID 0, and a GTX680. Wondering if a i7 4770K with 16GB is a reasonable upgrade and wondering if my existing case will be ok, (Antec P182B), seems like the backplates are different, anyone know if the dimensions are the same?

This gives you a basic overview of what you'd be getting to upgrade to the 4770K....

http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-Core-i7-920-vs-Intel-Core-i7-4770K

Going by those figures, Id probably save the $$ and hold out a tad longer. (Based on performance, not running costs)

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#830508 4-Jun-2013 14:50

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networkn: Hi There!

I am surprised the reviews are so bad, a lot of people were expecting more clearly.

Now I am stuck, I have a i7 920 overclocked to 3.8Ghz, 12GB memory, 3 x SSD's in a RAID 0, and a GTX680. Wondering if a i7 4770K with 16GB is a reasonable upgrade and wondering if my existing case will be ok, (Antec P182B), seems like the backplates are different, anyone know if the dimensions are the same?

This gives you a basic overview of what you'd be getting to upgrade to the 4770K....

http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-Core-i7-920-vs-Intel-Core-i7-4770K

Going by those figures, Id probably save the $$ and hold out a tad longer. (Based on performance, not running costs)

What's coming that is worth waiting for and how long do you think it will be ?

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#830509 4-Jun-2013 14:52

I asked Billy @ Computerlounge and you'll have no problem with fitting the mobo in

eXDee: Bearing in mind that his 920 is overclocked - using Cinebench multithread as a guide, it scores 20000-22000 with that sort of OC, putting it not far behind stock sandy bridge.

I assume he'd be overclocking his 4770k too

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#830510 4-Jun-2013 14:58

Just out of interest do you have any reason to upgrade? Something that is limited by CPU?

These chips look to be absolutely awesome for laptops - which suits me fine.

If you're already on Ivy bridge - not worth an upgrade for a desktop.

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#830519 4-Jun-2013 15:09

"Skylake" is next after haswell but its just a shrinking from 22nm to 14nm, usually this will give another ~10% gain in IPC (as ivy bridge did to sandy bridge). The next major architecture change is Broadwell but thats not due until around this time next year. So you could get a haswell now or wait another 6 months and get a Skylake chip which will improve things somewhat, but then you may as well wait another 6 months for Broadwell, rinse and repeat..

Pull the trigger when you can't wait any longer

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#830522 4-Jun-2013 15:11

networkn: Hi There!

I am surprised the reviews are so bad, a lot of people were expecting more clearly.

Now I am stuck, I have a i7 920 overclocked to 3.8Ghz, 12GB memory, 3 x SSD's in a RAID 0, and a GTX680. Wondering if a i7 4770K with 16GB is a reasonable upgrade and wondering if my existing case will be ok, (Antec P182B), seems like the backplates are different, anyone know if the dimensions are the same?

haswell big bang is for laptops.

I think moores law died sometime ago.

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#830526 4-Jun-2013 15:19

wasabi2k: Just out of interest do you have any reason to upgrade? Something that is limited by CPU?

These chips look to be absolutely awesome for laptops - which suits me fine.

If you're already on Ivy bridge - not worth an upgrade for a desktop.

I was under the impression i7 doesn't hold much advantage over i5 for gaming performance. Would you not be better getting a top end i5 Ivy Bridge in that case?

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