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Topic # 193873 28-Mar-2016 10:30
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Hi guys, need help in upgrading my internets.

 

Currently with Slingshot on ADSL with an old Linksys WAG200G modem/router. Getting 13.5Mb/s down and 0.5Mb/s up. Needing faster up speed for uploading to youtube.

 

VDSL and fibre is available on my street. However I am four houses off the street and have a shared driveway which is all concrete with no grass verge. 

 

Although I'd like fibre, getting permission from my neighbours is going to be difficult so am leaning towards VDSL.

 

My questions:

 

1) does this router support VDSL? - D-link DSL2880AL

 

2) does this router support fibre? - D-link DSL-2877AL

 

3) Does the term "UFB" only relate to fibre connections, or can it also refer to VDSL connections?

 

4) is WPS still a security flaw on modern modem/routers? eg Do they now actually turn off wps if you select this option in the settings?

 

thanks in advance for any help

 

 


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  Reply # 1520688 28-Mar-2016 10:42
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Who are you signing VDSL service with? Virtually all ISP will give you free vdsl modem/router when signing up or moving onto vdsl. I won't spend money on the vdsl modem just yet until I know how good the line is.

3- UFB refers to fiber services except for Vodafone who also uses the term UFB for cable connection.

Edit: I would request vdsl from your current ISP and apply NEW fiber connection (without telling them you're a current adsl/vdsl customer). Once the fiber is sorted I'll disconnect the vdsl.





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  Reply # 1520692 28-Mar-2016 10:55
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VDSL is not UFB and VDSL offers much faster uplink over ADSL



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  Reply # 1520694 28-Mar-2016 11:05
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Cheers for the info, and the option of getting vdsl now and upgrading to fibre is a good idea and one I was thinking of doing.

 

I'll likely stick with slingshot. I don't want a free modem/router for several reasons; the D-link units have the specific parental controls I'm after (openDNS doesn't do what I want), and I also don't want to be tied to a 12/24month term, And I don't mind buying a new modem/router as my ancient Linksys unit is dated and slow so needs replacing anyway. But I want a unit that supports both VDSL and fibre so that I can use it regardless of which connection I end up getting.


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  Reply # 1520698 28-Mar-2016 11:16
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nakedmolerat:
I would request vdsl from your current ISP and apply NEW fiber connection (without telling them you're a current adsl/vdsl customer).

 

As the person who will be processing your request, please don't do this. Tell us your full requirements, and let us figure out what's the best way to accomplish what you want. We know the ins and outs of the system.


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  Reply # 1520705 28-Mar-2016 12:03
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IronH:

 

I'll likely stick with slingshot. I don't want a free modem/router for several reasons; the D-link units have the specific parental controls I'm after (openDNS doesn't do what I want), and I also don't want to be tied to a 12/24month term,

 

 

you dont have a choice, you get a 12 month contract and you get a VDSL Modem when you sign up to a VDSL plan with slingshot.




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  Reply # 1520735 28-Mar-2016 13:02
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Jase2985:

 

IronH:

 

I'll likely stick with slingshot. I don't want a free modem/router for several reasons; the D-link units have the specific parental controls I'm after (openDNS doesn't do what I want), and I also don't want to be tied to a 12/24month term,

 

 

you dont have a choice, you get a 12 month contract and you get a VDSL Modem when you sign up to a VDSL plan with slingshot.

 

I just called them, and no you don't have to have their modem, but yeah will still be stuck with 12month contract


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  Reply # 1520740 28-Mar-2016 13:26
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IronH:

 

 

 

VDSL and fibre is available on my street. However I am four houses off the street and have a shared driveway which is all concrete with no grass verge. 

 

Although I'd like fibre, getting permission from my neighbours is going to be difficult so am leaning towards VDSL.

 

 

 

 

You've got nothing to lose by trying to get fibre and talking to your neighbours about the benefits of fibre. Eventually the copper network will go as maintaining two parallel networks doesn't stack up economically.


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  Reply # 1520744 28-Mar-2016 13:43
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IronH:

 

Jase2985:

 

IronH:

 

I'll likely stick with slingshot. I don't want a free modem/router for several reasons; the D-link units have the specific parental controls I'm after (openDNS doesn't do what I want), and I also don't want to be tied to a 12/24month term,

 

 

you dont have a choice, you get a 12 month contract and you get a VDSL Modem when you sign up to a VDSL plan with slingshot.

 

I just called them, and no you don't have to have their modem, but yeah will still be stuck with 12month contract

 

 

why would you not take the modem? its essentially free and if you dont need it you can flick it off




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  Reply # 1520782 28-Mar-2016 16:09
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DarthKermit:

 

IronH:

 

 

 

VDSL and fibre is available on my street. However I am four houses off the street and have a shared driveway which is all concrete with no grass verge. 

 

Although I'd like fibre, getting permission from my neighbours is going to be difficult so am leaning towards VDSL.

 

 

 

 

You've got nothing to lose by trying to get fibre and talking to your neighbours about the benefits of fibre. Eventually the copper network will go as maintaining two parallel networks doesn't stack up economically.

 

I have multiple neighbours with some properties having landlords, while others are elderly who would not welcome trenches being dug or cables being laid across their manicured gardens/fences etc. So for now fibre is off the cards.  

 

 

 

Jase2985:

 

IronH:

 

Jase2985:

 

IronH:

 

I'll likely stick with slingshot. I don't want a free modem/router for several reasons; the D-link units have the specific parental controls I'm after (openDNS doesn't do what I want), and I also don't want to be tied to a 12/24month term,

 

 

you dont have a choice, you get a 12 month contract and you get a VDSL Modem when you sign up to a VDSL plan with slingshot.

 

I just called them, and no you don't have to have their modem, but yeah will still be stuck with 12month contract

 

 

why would you not take the modem? its essentially free and if you dont need it you can flick it off

 

it's not free, you either pay $15 for postage and be on a 24month contract or pay $20 + $15 postage and be on a 12mnth contract. So why would I pay money for something I would never use? Also the supplied units don't have the specific parental controls I require (and OpenDNS etc also doesn't offer what we need either). 

 

Ok so the DSL-2877AL has UFB and VDSL support, though it isn't compatible with bigpipe. The DSL-2880AL doesn't list VDSL support but when I called Dlink they assured me it does, though I don't know how much trust I can put in this staff member...


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  Reply # 1520784 28-Mar-2016 16:15
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Rather than looking at hardware first have you decided on what ISP you will use? Some ISP supplied kit is better than what you're looking at.

 

 




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  Reply # 1520788 28-Mar-2016 16:40
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sbiddle:

 

Rather than looking at hardware first have you decided on what ISP you will use? Some ISP supplied kit is better than what you're looking at.

 

yes i have, and no its not.


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  Reply # 1520790 28-Mar-2016 16:52
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nakedmolerat:
I would request vdsl from your current ISP and apply NEW fiber connection (without telling them you're a current adsl/vdsl customer).


As the person who will be processing your request, please don't do this. Tell us your full requirements, and let us figure out what's the best way to accomplish what you want. We know the ins and outs of the system.



@DarkShadow can you tell me why this is bad? This has always been the advice given on geekzone over time. In fact i did this myself to ensure continuity of the service. If you're installing fiber to the property, why do you need to know about the current copper account (with another company)? They are separate services and independent of one another.





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  Reply # 1520791 28-Mar-2016 16:57
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IronH:

 

it's not free, you either pay $15 for postage and be on a 24month contract or pay $20 + $15 postage and be on a 12mnth contract. So why would I pay money for something I would never use? Also the supplied units don't have the specific parental controls I require (and OpenDNS etc also doesn't offer what we need either). 

 

Ok so the DSL-2877AL has UFB and VDSL support, though it isn't compatible with bigpipe. The DSL-2880AL doesn't list VDSL support but when I called Dlink they assured me it does, though I don't know how much trust I can put in this staff member...

 

 

Can come in very handy if you need to trouble shoot your connection but hey each to their own

 

I would not go for the DSL-2877AL as it doesnt have Gigabit ethernet ports

 

From the literature it does not seem that the DSL-2880AL supports VDSL which is ITU G.993.2

 

Maybe explain what you are trying to achieve with the parental controls and people could maybe suggest an alternative device that does what you need

 

 

 

 




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  Reply # 1520827 28-Mar-2016 18:14
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Jase2985:

 

 

 

 

 

IronH:

 

it's not free, you either pay $15 for postage and be on a 24month contract or pay $20 + $15 postage and be on a 12mnth contract. So why would I pay money for something I would never use? Also the supplied units don't have the specific parental controls I require (and OpenDNS etc also doesn't offer what we need either). 

 

Ok so the DSL-2877AL has UFB and VDSL support, though it isn't compatible with bigpipe. The DSL-2880AL doesn't list VDSL support but when I called Dlink they assured me it does, though I don't know how much trust I can put in this staff member...

 

 

Can come in very handy if you need to trouble shoot your connection but hey each to their own

 

I would not go for the DSL-2877AL as it doesnt have Gigabit ethernet ports

 

From the literature it does not seem that the DSL-2880AL supports VDSL which is ITU G.993.2

 

Maybe explain what you are trying to achieve with the parental controls and people could maybe suggest an alternative device that does what you need

 

 

 

 

 

Thanks Jase. Good point, I guess $35 for a spare device in case of a failure or need to trouble shoot is not such a bad idea.

 

I'm not worried about gigibit as it'll only be used wirelessly.

 

I need URL keyword filtering with an exception list and wanted web browsing history via Android app. 

 

I checked the user manual for the D-Link units and it doesn't seem to have an option to turn WPS off, and routersecurity.org indicates D-Link as one the worst for WPS vulnerability.

 

I'm now considering a Draytek DV2760D which looks like has no builtin WPS and has a lot of filtering options but no Android app. would this be a better more secure option?


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  Reply # 1520895 28-Mar-2016 20:00
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You can do lots with the Draytek. Optional content filtering license. Profile rules for devices etc.




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