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Topic # 195296 14-Apr-2016 16:01
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New house = new network project. I've just bought some excellent (sounding at least) Cambium access points, and am now looking at a new router to drive them and the network.

 

I have decided to go in with both feet, studs up, and totally uberkill the network. At the same time, I am keen to learn something new. From reading the forums, Mikrotiks and EdgeRouters seem to be the not-for-the-fainthearted poison of choice. Each seem to have their own aficionados, but from what I can tell either will be excellent and offer lots and lots of functionality and customisations.

 

I have learned my lesson (the hard way) about evaluating options like this. My typical MO is to analyse every statistic and function of all options and pick whichever one has the (usually marginal) technical superiority over the others. That has also usually led me to pick the non-mainstream option that results in a technological dead-end or absolutely no support.

 

I am not a systems/network ICT guru, so won't be taking to this naturally, but I am pretty good at figuring out what I want to do, Google-fu-ing how to do it, then following the resulting instructions. So am keen to see how many other Geekzoners use each option, and any thoughts about which has better/more set up guides and online support. Or is easier to use (though I'm not afraid of a CLI).

 

Initially this will be on a Vodafone HFC Cable connection. But in Island Bay, so may need to be switched to VDSL if those issues aren't resolved. Fibre isn't coming until 2019 last I checked, but I would hope with this level over overkill not to have to replace everything in 3 years.

 

I already have a really good Linksys Nighthawk running AdvancedTomato (thanks @michaelmurfy) that I will most definitely be keeping as backup until I am sure everything is working properly.


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  Reply # 1533092 14-Apr-2016 16:01
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I can't do a proper poll, but +1 this post if you use an EdgeRouter (and would recommend it).


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  Reply # 1533093 14-Apr-2016 16:02
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I can't do a proper poll, but +1 this post if you use an Mikrotik (and would recommend it).


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  Reply # 1533110 14-Apr-2016 16:42
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Edgerouter is easier to configure if you have no networking knowledge.

 

As for what's best? That's pretty much like asking what's best out of Ford vs Holden.

 

 


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  Reply # 1533111 14-Apr-2016 16:42
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mdf:

 

I can't do a proper poll, but +1 this post if you use an EdgeRouter (and would recommend it).

 

 

I'm also on HFC cable in Island Bay.

 

I'm using this SOHO system:

 

Cisco cable modem
EdgeRouter Lite router
Cisco smart switch
Three Ubiquiti WAPs (although I'm currently trying get three discounted Cambium WAPs)

Yes, the EdgeRouter works very well, but it is a PITA to set up.
It is NOT a consumer device.
You WILL need a switch as well.
I haven't had to do anything to mine since I installed it a year ago.

 

Unfortunately it doesn't help me deal with Krapi Cable Congestion  undecided

Just PM me if you want specific set-up guidance for the EdgeRouter.  smile





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  Reply # 1533114 14-Apr-2016 16:48
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The EdgeRouter used to be a pain to setup but they've got nice wizards for initial setup now. I've just bought an EdgeRouter Lite to replace a pfsense box so will see how that goes.

 

Isn't the Mikrotik much more difficult to setup, if you had minimal networking knowledge?

 

 


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  Reply # 1533190 14-Apr-2016 19:53
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I was thinking about getting an EdgeRouter... but then I remember the warm, safe embrace of Tomato...


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  Reply # 1533207 14-Apr-2016 20:42
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I personally think RouterOS just does everything better than Ubiquiti. RouterOS is far more mature (although there are still little bugs) than Ubiquiti's product - the GUI is just one example of this. Mikrotik's winbox makes things so so easy to do. Everything available in the RouterOS CLI is configurable from Winbox, unlike Ubiquiti where anything decent must be done at the CLI - some people like this, I find it incredibly mundane and would rather just get to the final product rather than bang away on a CLI.

 

RouterOS can also be much more than just a 'router' - so really depends on the application. One thing that Ubiquiti have focused on is there layer 7 packet inspection, something Mikrotik lacks, and could be useful in a residential LAN if you are that way inclined. So it really depends what you want to achieve.

 

If your argument for not getting a Mikrotik is 'its too hard to set up' then the EdgeRouter isn't for you either. If you are relying on the wizards that the Edgerouter has to set it up, there is zero point to having a Edgerouter because you will have something that is no better than any of the regular residential brands (asus, linksys, netcomm etc) - if not worse because you also need to have separate wireless AP, switch etc.

 

Sounds like you really just want to have a play and for that I would say RouterOS is the beast for you - you will achieve a lot more, a lot faster. And you will also find out what doesn't work a lot faster too. One of the things to always remember with RouterOS is that it assumes you know what you are doing and will give you more than enough rope to hang yourself.

 

As far as hardware goes, maybe the RB850Gx2 or there is the new RB3011 (although that seems to have a few little issue atm). I run a RB2011 at home and it is more than adequate on my rubbish dual-ADSL connection. Although, we were in a rental for 6 months or so with a 100/50 UFB connection and I soley used the RB2011 as the router and wireless access point and was completely fine for just "normal" home stuff - as in there is plenty of CPU to saturate the 100Mbps connection with a PPPoE WAN interface.


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  Reply # 1533215 14-Apr-2016 21:04
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Everyone knows what I have used...
...and now use...
...and recommend...

 

Edgerouter is king for UFB only because of the hardware acceleration of which (most) Mikrotik routers in that price range don't have. Also, it is really quite easy to setup and configure, plenty of forums on the web, plenty of people (including me in Wellington who can assist) to get it set up for you.

 

I'd be prepared to assist you with getting everything set up for a box of beers or food if it really comes down to that :)





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  Reply # 1533262 14-Apr-2016 22:45
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michaelmurfy:

 

Everyone knows what I have used...
...and now use...
...and recommend...

 

Edgerouter is king for UFB only because of the hardware acceleration of which (most) Mikrotik routers in that price range don't have. Also, it is really quite easy to setup and configure, plenty of forums on the web, plenty of people (including me in Wellington who can assist) to get it set up for you.

 

I'd be prepared to assist you with getting everything set up for a box of beers or food if it really comes down to that :)

 

 

Just being lazy, but what is the max throughput in Mbps of the Edgerouter lite? 


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  Reply # 1533264 14-Apr-2016 22:52
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networkn:

 

 

 

Just being lazy, but what is the max throughput in Mbps of the Edgerouter lite? 

 

 

OVER 9000

 

Kidding, over 1Gbit...





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  Reply # 1533266 14-Apr-2016 22:58
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michaelmurfy:

 

networkn:

 

 

 

Just being lazy, but what is the max throughput in Mbps of the Edgerouter lite? 

 

 

OVER 9000

 

Kidding, over 1Gbit...

 

 

 

 

hmm nice. 

 

I might get one for eval. I have been looking for something that sits below Sonicwall pricing wise. 

 

 


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  Reply # 1533268 14-Apr-2016 23:00
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networkn:

 

michaelmurfy:

 

networkn:

 

Just being lazy, but what is the max throughput in Mbps of the Edgerouter lite? 

 

 

OVER 9000

 

Kidding, over 1Gbit...

 

 

hmm nice. 

 

I might get one for eval. I have been looking for something that sits below Sonicwall pricing wise. 

 

 

Considering it now has L7 filtering by protocol or service they make a very good alternative for the price, and also no need to worry about licensing.





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  Reply # 1533272 14-Apr-2016 23:28
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mdf:

 

I can't do a proper poll, but +1 this post if you use an Mikrotik (and would recommend it).

 

 

I'm a convert to Mikrotik, it meets all the load I give it, and so far has been a rock.  Something that really bugs me about the ERL (and what eventually was it's downfall) is that they use a USB stick as the boot device, and due to it's squashfs based setup, if your power/UPS fails at the exact wrong moment, you have a corrupt router and need to spend time on the serial fixing it, alternatively the USB stick dies and it's 50-50 if a replacement will work.


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  Reply # 1533274 14-Apr-2016 23:46
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mdf:

 

I can't do a proper poll, but +1 this post if you use an Mikrotik (and would recommend it).

 

 

I'm a convert to Mikrotik, it meets all the load I give it, and so far has been a rock.  Something that really bugs me about the ERL (and what eventually was it's downfall) is that they use a USB stick as the boot device, and due to it's squashfs based setup, if your power/UPS fails at the exact wrong moment, you have a corrupt router and need to spend time on the serial fixing it, alternatively the USB stick dies and it's 50-50 if a replacement will work.

 

 

Personally I've never had that issue. There were some older ERL's with dodgy USB drives (2gb IIRC). With mine I upgraded the drive to a 16gb drive, and have given it torture without any issues. It is really easy to make another USB drive if one fails for any reason however it is quite unlikely.





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nigelj:

 

mdf:

 

I can't do a proper poll, but +1 this post if you use an Mikrotik (and would recommend it).

 

 

I'm a convert to Mikrotik, it meets all the load I give it, and so far has been a rock.  Something that really bugs me about the ERL (and what eventually was it's downfall) is that they use a USB stick as the boot device, and due to it's squashfs based setup, if your power/UPS fails at the exact wrong moment, you have a corrupt router and need to spend time on the serial fixing it, alternatively the USB stick dies and it's 50-50 if a replacement will work.

 

 

Personally I've never had that issue. There were some older ERL's with dodgy USB drives (2gb IIRC). With mine I upgraded the drive to a 16gb drive, and have given it torture without any issues. It is really easy to make another USB drive if one fails for any reason however it is quite unlikely.

 

 

The dodgy drives and fssync/squashfs issues are unrelated.

 

The issue with replacement USB drives is/was that uboot would be really pedantic on detecting drives, I know I tried _A_LOT_ out of curiosity in the end, often very picky on detecting USB when booting cold.  Really just wasn't worth the hassle in the end.  It's possible that newer hardware has rectified this though.

 

Something I would note, if you asked me this question a year or so ago, I would've actually said Edgerouter, but Mikrotik have woken up their game on a couple of things, for a while they only allowed low-bit DSA SSH Keys for authentication, and a couple of other things that looked like their response was always going to be "It works, it's not worth the effort in updating/fixing".


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