is VDSL speed a good indicator of what it might be when switch to fibre?

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#240658 19-Sep-2018 07:54

Hi guys,

I just moved into a new place, and have VDSL internet while waiting installation of fibre to be completed.

im currently on (speedtest.net, is there any better speed test method?) 20ms ping, 47mbps dowon / 7 mbps up. 2 degree says that i'm on a 80m plan, which make my connection to be approx. 60% of full speed.

I am not too sure what is causing it but it well might be my old wires. I try all DSL ports in the house still similar result.

my questions are

1. is 60% a good indicator of what im going to get out of fibre?

2. when i switch to fibre, would the old wire system under the house continue to be a factor? should i invest to fix it now?

3. i know most of you mentioned here that most comment slow internet factors are most likely on the user side, is there anything i could do now to find out exactly why and what to improve it?

thank you so much

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#2092944 19-Sep-2018 08:00

No at all relevant or linked.

Fibre is laser driven optical. No bad wires or signal drop off.
If you order a 100/20 fibre plan(for example) then that should be what you get.

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#2092947 19-Sep-2018 08:12

" 2 degree says that i'm on a 80m plan" - Its copper, they cant guarantee the speed as too many factors can cause it to be less (wiring, filters). 80 will be the max speed you could get in theory.

I'm getting around 45/15 on my VDSL.... fibre due 1st quarter next year for me (yay).

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#2092954 19-Sep-2018 08:36

Bad wire issue?, this is the biggest issue in getting fibre installed. Once you have fibre connected to the home (which as others have indicated is based around optic fibre and lasers) the biggest issue for home owners is getting it correctly distributed around the house to locations that require it. Whilst wireless is often ok, the best solution is to correctly wire (with copper cat5 or 6 cabling) to deliver the data to locations where it will be consumed, this includes locations to place wireless access points to give good coverage for wireless devices, locations where media player devices will dwell and locations where wired computers will be (offices etc) this is the biggest challenge to having good internet connected once you have either VDSL or fibre

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#2092955 19-Sep-2018 08:43

Obviously fibre will be better, but in the grand scheme of things for the average user your internet experience will only be marginally better than a decent VDSL line.

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#2093017 19-Sep-2018 09:52

robjg63: No at all relevant or linked.

Fibre is laser driven optical. No bad wires or signal drop off.
If you order a 100/20 fibre plan(for example) then that should be what you get.

thanks:) good to know this :P

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#2093018 19-Sep-2018 09:52

xpd:

" 2 degree says that i'm on a 80m plan" - Its copper, they cant guarantee the speed as too many factors can cause it to be less (wiring, filters). 80 will be the max speed you could get in theory.

I'm getting around 45/15 on my VDSL.... fibre due 1st quarter next year for me (yay).

so it is not that bad at all for VDSL?

calling 2d today to swith to fibre :P

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#2093021 19-Sep-2018 09:56

cyril7:

Bad wire issue?, this is the biggest issue in getting fibre installed. Once you have fibre connected to the home (which as others have indicated is based around optic fibre and lasers) the biggest issue for home owners is getting it correctly distributed around the house to locations that require it. Whilst wireless is often ok, the best solution is to correctly wire (with copper cat5 or 6 cabling) to deliver the data to locations where it will be consumed, this includes locations to place wireless access points to give good coverage for wireless devices, locations where media player devices will dwell and locations where wired computers will be (offices etc) this is the biggest challenge to having good internet connected once you have either VDSL or fibre

Cyril

planning to cable up the house, we have only 2 heavy user pc, rest of them are just phones.

there is some space under the house, could run the cable through from where the router is.

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#2093022 19-Sep-2018 09:56

darylblake:

Obviously fibre will be better, but in the grand scheme of things for the average user your internet experience will only be marginally better than a decent VDSL line.

if i could get something like your signature, i would be happy as:)

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#2093023 19-Sep-2018 09:57

by the way, how much say the ower of the house have about where the otn box is going to be inside the house???

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#2093025 19-Sep-2018 10:04

iamsammajor:

so it is not that bad at all for VDSL?

calling 2d today to swith to fibre :P

Nope, its not too bad, my upload is higher because the cabinet is only 150m or so down the road.

Distance to the gear makes a difference :) But with fibre it dosent matter. (AFAIK)

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#2093026 19-Sep-2018 10:07

iamsammajor:
xpd:

" 2 degree says that i'm on a 80m plan" - Its copper, they cant guarantee the speed as too many factors can cause it to be less (wiring, filters). 80 will be the max speed you could get in theory.

I'm getting around 45/15 on my VDSL.... fibre due 1st quarter next year for me (yay).

so it is not that bad at all for VDSL?

calling 2d today to swith to fibre :P

VDSL uses copper which can work "up to a maximum" speed. This means you could have a not-so-great line but still have internet work without full speed.

Fibre cannot have a bad line, if you did your internet would not work at all. This also means you get full speed on what ever plan you order(depends on where you connect to eg. inside nz=fast, aussie=pretty quick, US is still far away so maybe slower).

Probably the coolest thing about fibre personally is the latency locally. I used to have a base 12-20ms on vdsl to next hop. Now me and a few mates are on fibre we all have 1ms to each other and it feels like we're playing on LAN now :)

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#2093029 19-Sep-2018 10:15

iamsammajor:
by the way, how much say the ower of the house have about where the otn box is going to be inside the house???

The chorus guys will plan out with you were it'll come in from the road (down driveway, dig a micro-trench, hang on fence :D etc.) and also where it'll come into the house. If you're around while they do this you can direct them precisely where you'd like it, otherwise they (usually) follow the plan.

If you're not the owner you'll need landlord permission etc. but generally you can put it anywhere you'd like given it's not hard to do so.

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#2093092 19-Sep-2018 12:34

darylblake:

Obviously fibre will be better, but in the grand scheme of things for the average user your internet experience will only be marginally better than a decent VDSL line.

i'm not sure i understand this... if i jump from 20 Mbps xDSL to 200 Mbps fibre, my internet experience will definitely be more than marginally better.

or did i miss your point completely?

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#2093097 19-Sep-2018 12:38

nitro:

darylblake:

Obviously fibre will be better, but in the grand scheme of things for the average user your internet experience will only be marginally better than a decent VDSL line.

i'm not sure i understand this... if i jump from 20 Mbps xDSL to 200 Mbps fibre, my internet experience will definitely be more than marginally better.

or did i miss your point completely?

Most "average user" just surf the web and stream Netflix on 720p. For those users 20Mbps is just as good as 200Mbps. If you don't classify yourself as "average" then naturally your experience will vary.

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#2093183 19-Sep-2018 14:46

Download/upload transfers are where you'll notice the primary difference. As Darkshadow mentioned, day to day stuff you wont see a huge difference. Gaming, your ping might drop a bit.

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