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kapitikarl

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#275893 15-Sep-2020 16:47
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Hi All,

 

Another question. We live on a rural property with a long driveway (about 150 metres). Due to the positioning of my current routers, and the trouble I am having tethering up a third router I have, I may have to go shopping. I was looking at the following product and wondered if anyone has any experience of it. 

 

 

 

What I need it for is to enable me to have a wifi connection all the way down my drive. The device would likely be positioned int he window or outside. I have no need for point to point extension at this point in time.

 

 

 

Cheers,

 

 

 

K


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nztim
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  #2564494 15-Sep-2020 17:00
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you are the candidate for a proper Access point solution - do away with having routers with DHCP turned off for wifi and get some decent APs (Aruba/Unifi/Ruckus)

 

 

 

 


kapitikarl

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  #2564498 15-Sep-2020 17:07
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Not much budget I am afraid. That being said I do like the look of the following which is in my price range. Would prefer to see if I can get my third router tethered (see other thread).

 

Aruba Instant On AP11 Wave 2

 
 
 
 


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  #2565501 15-Sep-2020 17:51
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kapitikarl:

Not much budget I am afraid. That being said I do like the look of the following which is in my price range. Would prefer to see if I can get my third router tethered (see other thread).


Aruba Instant On AP11 Wave 2


The Aruba Instant On is very easy to configure all cloud based, can run as an AP to ethernet or mesh if requires

AP11D is perfect for desktop use if you don't want to ceiling mount


kapitikarl

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  #2565881 16-Sep-2020 13:03
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So I took your advice and decided to go and find out a little more about these access point devices. Having visited PB Tech, I am now totally confused. I asked to speak to someone who knows a lot about access points and advised them of my situation (with drawings). In short, I need to extend my wifi coverage down my driveway (150metres) from my office. I mentioned I was looking at the Engenius but had been recommended specific WAP devices. At the time of my visit they had the some Ubiquity devices on the shelf and they looked rather good.

 

However, the assistant advised that the devices (even the LR versions) would not extend that distance and I would have to tether numerous ones down the drive. I told him that my Spark router worked to some extent all the way down the drive but was having issues with the proprietary encoding on the device. He then advised I should just get another router and tether it. Suffice to say I left thinking that WAPs only provide a limited range and not going to do the job for a 150 metre driveway with little/no obstructions.

 

While my recollection of what happened may suggest he was trying to sell me more than what I may need, he did not seem that concerned with me leaving without making a purchase. He was more talking in a 'matter of fact' way.

 

He also advised that I would have to buy two engenius devices otherwise I will only be able to upload and not download data.

 

However, I am no closer to sorting out my situation and the last thing I want to do is go and spend $200+ on something that may not work.


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  #2565950 16-Sep-2020 13:23
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It would be interesting to know what you want to do with the WiFi in the drive? Is gigabit speed a consideration?

 

Ignoring that you might consider running an ethernet cable (up to 100m) and putting an outdoor access point say mid point of the drive. You could consider something like the UniFi Outdoor AP which claims to have the range you need. It’s powered by PoE and will mount on pole to give good coverage. 

 

 

 

Edited to include product link. Note I use UniFi but am in no way associated with them


kapitikarl

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  #2565957 16-Sep-2020 13:33
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kiwibob1:

 

It would be interesting to know what you want to do with the WiFi in the drive? Is gigabit speed a consideration?

 

Ignoring that you might consider running an ethernet cable (up to 100m) and putting an outdoor access point say mid point of the drive. You could consider something like the UniFi Outdoor AP which claims to have the range you need. It’s powered by PoE and will mount on pole to give good coverage. 

 

 

 

Edited to include product link. Note I use UniFi but am in no way associated with them

 

 

 

 

Gigabit? I wish. We get 50mbps up and down on a good day. And that is the best we can get where we live. In the long term, I would like the ability to have some form of connectivity down the drive so I can work outside from a bench we have half way down the driveway. It would also be good if we could hold a zoom meeting in the same location.

 

When I had my main router positioned in the window, I got connectivity. Now that I have moved it away from the window due to an office refurb I have no connectivity. 

 

So ideally it would be good to have (half way down the drive) some means to hold a zoom meeting and (all the way down) the ability to check emails, and go on the internet.


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  #2565971 16-Sep-2020 13:47
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Sounds like a perfect application for an outdoor access point. 


 
 
 
 


kapitikarl

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  #2565986 16-Sep-2020 14:12
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kiwibob1:

 

Sounds like a perfect application for an outdoor access point. 

 

 

 

 

Apologies for my previous post - I was meant to be typing this on another website altogether. However, that being said I am getting very mixed messages and not sure which way to turn.

 

 

 

Any recommendations for the outdoor access point? Same as before?


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  #2566042 16-Sep-2020 15:35
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Just to Clarify a few things

 

Are you wanting a point to point wireless bridge to extend your wifi to another building? if so you want this https://mikrotik.com/product/wireless_wire

 

Are you wanting to provide WiFi to your outdoor living area? If so you want this https://unifi-flexhd.ui.com/ (requires controller e.g. dream machine or cloud key), or this https://www.arubainstanton.com/files/DS_AIO_AP17.pdf (Cloud Managed) or this https://mikrotik.com/product/RB922UAGS-5HPacT-NM (Requires Mikrotik Expierence to Set up)

 

 


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  #2566764 17-Sep-2020 11:52
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nztim:

 

Are you wanting to provide WiFi to your outdoor living area? If so you want this https://unifi-flexhd.ui.com/ (requires controller e.g. dream machine or cloud key), or this https://www.arubainstanton.com/files/DS_AIO_AP17.pdf (Cloud Managed) or this https://mikrotik.com/product/RB922UAGS-5HPacT-NM (Requires Mikrotik Expierence to Set up)

 

 

 

 

Just to clarify you can run the UniFi controller software on a PC (mac, Linux or some other OS). Also a couple of people on Geekzone offer a hosted controller solution (see post here) and in any case once set up you don’t need the controller to run all the time especially for an access point.

 

The marketing pics of the flex-hd show it magically with no wires attached but that’s not going to be the case as it looks to me that it requires PoE to make it go. (There looks to be an injector in the box).


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  #2566770 17-Sep-2020 12:04
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kiwibob1:

 

nztim:

 

Are you wanting to provide WiFi to your outdoor living area? If so you want this https://unifi-flexhd.ui.com/ (requires controller e.g. dream machine or cloud key), or this https://www.arubainstanton.com/files/DS_AIO_AP17.pdf (Cloud Managed) or this https://mikrotik.com/product/RB922UAGS-5HPacT-NM (Requires Mikrotik Expierence to Set up)

 

 

 

 

Just to clarify you can run the UniFi controller software on a PC (mac, Linux or some other OS). Also a couple of people on Geekzone offer a hosted controller solution (see post here) and in any case once set up you don’t need the controller to run all the time especially for an access point.

 

The marketing pics of the flex-hd show it magically with no wires attached but that’s not going to be the case as it looks to me that it requires PoE to make it go. (There looks to be an injector in the box).

 

 

https://www.snappernet.co.nz/product/23031/ubiquiti-uap-flexhd-ubiquiti-uap-flexhd-4x4-mu-mimo-wave-2-80211ac-access-point

 

Picture #2 shows package contents, it will MESH (Although I recommend using it as a Layer 2 Access Point) - power needs to come from PoE from either a a switch or the supplied injector (even if you don't use the Data in on the injector)

 

yes you can just fire up a unifi controller on your laptop, set it up and then forget - I always recommend an always-on controller if possible


kapitikarl

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  #2566779 17-Sep-2020 12:20
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Hi All, I think the majority of devices I have seen are POE. That being said it is frustrating that a lot of the devices do not come with POE cabling and power packs. I have to be honest, I am not that keen on having a pole with a device on my property and was more looking for something I could place in the window of my office - albeit facing the garden, or having something I could attach to the outside of our house and thus would need to be seriously weather proof. I am keen to get your views still.

 

On the subject of 'Layer 2 access point'. I am not entirely sure I know what that is. I did a quick google of it - am I right in thinking that this would connect to my main router (slightly similar to a tether) as opposed to making a direct connection to the internet. Is that what a layer 2 AP is? 


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  #2566783 17-Sep-2020 12:27
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kapitikarl:

 

Hi All, I think the majority of devices I have seen are POE. That being said it is frustrating that a lot of the devices do not come with POE cabling and power packs. I have to be honest, I am not that keen on having a pole with a device on my property and was more looking for something I could place in the window of my office - albeit facing the garden, or having something I could attach to the outside of our house and thus would need to be seriously weather proof. I am keen to get your views still.

 

On the subject of 'Layer 2 access point'. I am not entirely sure I know what that is. I did a quick google of it - am I right in thinking that this would connect to my main router (slightly similar to a tether) as opposed to making a direct connection to the internet. Is that what a layer 2 AP is? 

 

 

layer 2 means a physical connection between to the wired and wireless network (i.e not a router)

 

the flex hd comes with a range of mounts, pole or wall - you didn't answer my above question? are you trying to bridge to another building or expand wifi into your outdoor living area?

 

 


kapitikarl

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  #2566789 17-Sep-2020 12:30
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nztim:

 

kapitikarl:

 

Hi All, I think the majority of devices I have seen are POE. That being said it is frustrating that a lot of the devices do not come with POE cabling and power packs. I have to be honest, I am not that keen on having a pole with a device on my property and was more looking for something I could place in the window of my office - albeit facing the garden, or having something I could attach to the outside of our house and thus would need to be seriously weather proof. I am keen to get your views still.

 

On the subject of 'Layer 2 access point'. I am not entirely sure I know what that is. I did a quick google of it - am I right in thinking that this would connect to my main router (slightly similar to a tether) as opposed to making a direct connection to the internet. Is that what a layer 2 AP is? 

 

 

layer 2 means a physical connection between to the wired and wireless network (i.e not a router)

 

the flex hd comes with a range of mounts, pole or wall - you didn't answer my above question? are you trying to bridge to another building or expand wifi into your outdoor living area?

 

 

 

 

 

 

Apologies - I plan to expand wifi into our outdoor area. As mentioned before we only get 50mbps up and down at best. I would like the ability to hold a reasonable zoome meeting half way down the garden (approx 75 metres), and the ability to check emails and read the news at the bottom of the garden (150 metres).


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  #2566814 17-Sep-2020 13:32
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kapitikarl:

 

Hi All, I think the majority of devices I have seen are POE. That being said it is frustrating that a lot of the devices do not come with POE cabling and power packs. I have to be honest, I am not that keen on having a pole with a device on my property and was more looking for something I could place in the window of my office - albeit facing the garden, or having something I could attach to the outside of our house and thus would need to be seriously weather proof. I am keen to get your views still.

 

On the subject of 'Layer 2 access point'. I am not entirely sure I know what that is. I did a quick google of it - am I right in thinking that this would connect to my main router (slightly similar to a tether) as opposed to making a direct connection to the internet. Is that what a layer 2 AP is? 

 

 

I can find no reference to range for the flex-hd however the outdoor claims 183m which will be best case but your requirement fits well within this. The outdoor is an older device and I didn’t realise it’s end of life so I’d go with the flex.

 

In terms of wiring, assuming your router does not support PoE (almost certain), you would need a cable from the router to the injector (which needs to be plugged into a power outlet) and then another cable from the injector to the flex-hd.  Both units claim serious weather resistance so I’d mount it on the side of the house with clear line of sight to your outdoor area (no leafy trees, shrubs, garden sheds, etc.)


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