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#265456 22-Jan-2020 13:47
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I’ve purchased the Google Nest Hello camera doorbell.
We have to install it on the brick, so power can be run to it.

I’ve attached a photo, showing where I would like to have it installed (marked in yellow).

You’ll also see an image of what the house eventually will look like (ignore colour of bricks).
Notice the brick pillar. On the photo this is currently just a piece of timber.

Basically, the camera is behind this pillar.

The Google Nest Hello camera doorbell comes with a 15 degree angle wedge.
However, will this be enough to avoid the pillar or should I purchase a 30-45 degree wedge (not included)?





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  #2404653 22-Jan-2020 14:27
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I do not think that 15 degree or even the 30-45 degree wedge will give you a good view at all except for showing mostly the brick pillar. You are better off to install the doorbell on the brick wall to the left of your entrance door. if the doorbell had a 180 degree horizontal FOV then you would been able to get a good view of people standing by the door but I do not think 160 degree horizontal FOV will cut it.

 

Also I don't know if it's the angle from which you taken the photo of your front door but the door lock seems to have been installed a very low height? And the brick pillar seems very close to your front door with little gap so not a lot of cover from rain to stand under?





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  #2404675 22-Jan-2020 14:58
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Unfortunately I can only have the doorbell there.
Wiring has already been done.

I found one with 60 degrees. POPMAS Nest Hello.

Will measure distance to pillar tonight and also height of door handle.






 
 
 
 


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  #2404730 22-Jan-2020 15:41
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60 degrees will likely work but it would make it so easy to steal the doorbell from mount holder and also cut/damage the power cable as everything is now exposed.





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  #2404753 22-Jan-2020 16:20
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Probably a very silly question - but is it at all possible to mount it on the door itself - where it would get a clearer view?

Cables could run hidden inside the door to the edge at the hinge side if it’s a hollow-core, or along the back of the door or chased into the door if it’s a solid door. Exposed cables may be not so pretty but could be a worthwhile compromise if you want a better view.





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  #2404782 22-Jan-2020 17:06
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Unfortunately not possible to install it on joinery.

Is it possible to test a camera without the power from the doorbell?
Would be handy to do so, before it’s mounted.
Then I know the correct angle, if I can view the footage on my phone.
Unfortunately it’s not possible to power this model with battery.

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  #2404790 22-Jan-2020 17:22
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danepak: Unfortunately not possible to install it on joinery.

Is it possible to test a camera without the power from the doorbell?
Would be handy to do so, before it’s mounted.
Then I know the correct angle, if I can view the footage on my phone.
Unfortunately it’s not possible to power this model with battery.

 

Yes is it and it also works off of DC voltage too (my one was running form my gate moto back up battery) the screw on the side with the Micro USB connector is the Positive side of the NEST, or you could just power it from a USB lead using that micro USB port

 

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  #2405018 22-Jan-2020 21:03
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sparkz25:

danepak: Unfortunately not possible to install it on joinery.

Is it possible to test a camera without the power from the doorbell?
Would be handy to do so, before it’s mounted.
Then I know the correct angle, if I can view the footage on my phone.
Unfortunately it’s not possible to power this model with battery.


Yes is it and it also works off of DC voltage too (my one was running form my gate moto back up battery) the screw on the side with the Micro USB connector is the Positive side of the NEST, or you could just power it from a USB lead using that micro USB port


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Awesome, thanks.

I just found out that they haven’t run the cables yet, so will have it moved to the other side of the door, as a previous poster suggested.
Will have it on a 45 degree angle. Pole will take up some of the screen, but still fine and it will be pointing towards our driveway. As pole is further away, compared to the other wall, it will also take up less space on the screen.

Someone suggested that it’s more prone to be stolen.
However, only a fool would steal it, as they’ll be filmed. Obviously they can cover their faces if they want to, but do they really want to go through all this for a camera doorbell?







 
 
 
 


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  #2405027 22-Jan-2020 21:21
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If you now have the option to mount it on the wall to the left of the front door which you have highlighted in your last post, then you don’t need to mount the camera at an angle. You should mount it flat and with its 160 degree horizontal FOV, you will be able to capture anyone standing near the door as well as hopefully parcels on the ground of front door if it has good vertical FOV. By pointing it at the drive away, you are trying to use it as a security camera which it is not, you will get lots of motion alerts specially if cars or other moving objects are in the frame. To capture drive away, you should install a dedicated IP security camera. 

 

In regards to the doorbell being stolen, that was more for using the 60 degree bracket you linked earlier as it leaves such a big gap between the brick wall and camera unit that anyone can rip it off and damage your cabling. If you now mount it flat to your brick wall, there is no gap left to pull out the camera or damage the cable. Search for doorbell theft on YouTube and you will find plenty of videos of people stealing them. Most low life don’t know what cloud storage is and think that by stealing the camera, they are also taking away the recording with it.

 

Edit - You should install the doorbell further away (away from front entrance door) from your existing yellow highlighted area so you cover more of the entrance area coming in towards the front entry door.





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  #2405031 22-Jan-2020 21:30
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Thanks.
So if I install it flat, half of the screen will be the wall obviously, but I guess it will do the job, as you pointed out. I will then get an 80 degrees view of other parts (if the wall takes up the other 80 degrees).
I thought it was possible to draw zones, which would ensure cars didn’t get picked up.
Anyway, I appreciate your help and will let electrician know where to run the cables to.

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  #2405033 22-Jan-2020 21:36
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If you are not already doing this, I would strongly recommend that you also get your electrician to run a network cable (from your modem/router location) along with the camera door bell wire to same spot so in future if you ever decide to upgrade your doorbell, you then have a option to have it PoE powered if you ever buy that model doorbell. 





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  #2405049 22-Jan-2020 22:08
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Thanks, unfortunately too late.



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  #2405191 23-Jan-2020 11:16
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Correction: Not too late for PoE cable by the doorbell. Managed to get him to pull the CAT6 cable for a few beers 😄

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  #2405193 23-Jan-2020 11:22
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danepak: I’ve purchased the Google Nest Hello camera doorbell

 

Did you have to import this or did you find one locally? 




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  #2405194 23-Jan-2020 11:24
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sparkz25:

danepak: I’ve purchased the Google Nest Hello camera doorbell


Did you have to import this or did you find one locally? 



Got it on TobydealsAU. Will be sent from Hong Kong. They only sell to Aus and NZ.



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  #2405480 23-Jan-2020 19:19
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In regards to power for the doorbell, I don’t understand why he ran two cat6 cables.
One is obviously for the future proof of a PoE camera.
Don’t understand the other one and I thought he would be running a small low volt power cable to power the camera doorbell.
Or maybe this will be added later?






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