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#321816 22-Apr-2010 19:52

JayADee: Really? I think it looks great! I like it a lot better than the rounded back versions.

I like everything except the shape of the ROUND volume buttons on the side of a squared case. Looks unprofessional IMO.

I liked the iPhone 1st gen shape. If they could use that same design and use that glass backing of this new iPhone as well as change the buttons, I think then it would be a good looking device.

Oh, and make the edge of the phone ONE piece. Not two or four or whatever it is.

But I have to remember, it is a development phone, and its quite possible for it to change before release.

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#321832 22-Apr-2010 20:47

Yeah, looking forward to the final design. I agree about the one piece.

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#321860 22-Apr-2010 22:30

MikeyPI:
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1) who's gonna be tortured till they jump off a high building?
2) is finder's keepers against the common law or free game?

No theft by finding is though! Dunno about American law, but the could claim they are publicisng the situation to find the owner!

Looks like it got the remote kill pill though. 10-1 on that it was a managed leak, I'm of all people to find it it was the guys from Gizmodo? Please.....

Well the law is definitely a lot different in the US.

Take a read what was typed here: http://gizmodo.com/5520479/a-letter-apple-wants-its-secret-iphone-back

For those who can't be stuffed reading:

"Our legal team told us that in California the law states, "If it is lost, the owner has three years to reclaim or title passes to the owner of the premises where the property was found. The person who found it had the duty to report it." Which, actually, the guys who found it tried to do, but were pretty much ignored by Apple. )"

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#321956 23-Apr-2010 09:27

For ya'll who thinks it looks great...

http://www.geekzone.co.nz/foobar/7215

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#323654 27-Apr-2010 14:30

for those who thought it may have been against the law
http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/gadgets/3626257/Police-seize-gear-from-iPhone-blogger

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#323662 27-Apr-2010 14:38

Not so fast. The latest is that the DA suspended investigations until a decision is reached if the warrant broke Chen's rights of protection as a journalist. Also the warrant was executed at night, when it was not supposed to.

They screwed up.

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#323663 27-Apr-2010 14:40

Would it be too far fetched to say that Apple has a judge on the pay-role? :P

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#323666 27-Apr-2010 14:41

No, I wouldn't put this thought aside. But seriously, what a great PR campaign...

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#323785 27-Apr-2010 17:27

Brilliant PR.

Totally all over the geek news at the moment and that's what they need to keep a lid on the growth of the competition.

They'll re-establish their strangle-hold on the market once Jobby gets up and does his keynote speech at the WWDC or whatever.

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#325229 30-Apr-2010 12:32

Aaroona: Would it be too far fetched to say that Apple has a judge on the pay-role? :P

Nope its more insidious than that. Apple sit on the board of REACT ; Rapid Enforcement Allied Computer Team, responsible for corporate computer fraud, identity theft, and general computer crime, the same team that raided Mr Chens house.

This is a disgusting abuse of power, showing a corporate entity hijacking existing laws and using to further their own gains. This should be a warning of the marriage between companies and governments, and the subsequent attack on human rights.

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#325236 30-Apr-2010 12:53

Great take on the whole thing from Jon Stewart.

http://tv.gawker.com/5526868/jon-stewart-slams-apple-over-its-handling-of-gizmodo-case

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#325624 1-May-2010 19:21

Personally I've been following John Gruber of Darling Fireball's (daringfireball.net) coverage of the issue here :

http://daringfireball.net/2010/04/gizmodo_prototype_iphone

and also this interesting article here :

http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/04/iphone-finder/

His viewpoint seems to be that it's in both the californian penal code and in their civil code that if you find someone's lost property and do not make reasonable efforts to find the owner especially when there is some knowledge as to who that owner is .. then you have comitted theft. Especially when you don't turn it into the police within a certain time period and then sell it onto a third party. Gizmodo effectively paid for stolen goods.

If the guy had turned it in to the bartender then the phone would of been recovered much sooner - the engineer whose phone it was had been consistently ringing the bar for days looking for it. Much sooner then three weeks.

Here's a paragraph quoted from the article regarding wheter Gizmodo knew it was stolen property or not :

Again, their defense, as best I can put it, is that only upon receipt of the letter from Sewell did they “definitely know it’s not some knockoff” and “really is Apple’s”. Curious, this supposed uncertainty, considering they published their photographs and videos of the device 12 hours earlier with the quite certain headline “This Is Apple’s Next iPhone”.

If they didn't know it was from Apple then why did they present an article on it 12 hours before the email from Apple asking for the return of it ?

They took it apart and saw official Apple logos on all the chips inside while writing up that article. That would of been a gigantic clue :)

And from the Wired article (with John Grubber's interpretation after it) :

A friend of Hogan’s then offered to call AppleCare on Hogan’s behalf, according to Hogan’s lawyer. That apparently was the extent of Hogan’s efforts to return the phone.

Read that closely. First, Hogan never called anyone, including Apple, to attempt to return the phone. Second, his friend, according to this paragraph, “offered to call AppleCare”. Did this friend actually even call AppleCare? It’s not clear from Wired’s article that Hogan did anything at all to return the phone.

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#325625 1-May-2010 19:23

I didn't know the engineer had been calling the bar. From what I read the finder contacted Apple customer service, which instantly dismissed him (as you'd expect from customer services to do)...

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#325631 1-May-2010 19:42

freitasm: I didn't know the engineer had been calling the bar.

http://www.dailyfinance.com/story/why-apple-could-sue-gawker-over-lost-iphone-story/19447570/

*Teal'c eyebrow raise*

Indeed.

From what I read the finder contacted Apple customer service, which instantly dismissed him (as you'd expect from customer services to do)...

The Wired article says the didn't. He had a friend "offer" to call Apple Care for him.

Thing is Gizmodo are the people being accused of receiving stolen goods here. So of course they're going to spin it to absolve them of any blame.

And even if Apple Care had dismissed him if he phoned.... he could of just popped it into a courier pack and sent it back to Apple that way. Just send it to Apple . 1 Infinite Loop c/o Iphone dept with a polite letter. It's not like the Apple campus is at a secret address no one knows about :)

They would of gotten it back and read the serial number off the back. The serial number was a special development only one not used for live shipping goods.

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#325951 3-May-2010 10:17

Story goes, the guy who actually found it, thought it belonged to another member at the bar so gave it to him, so he didnt steal it, and thought he returned it to owner. Guy he gave it to (who didnt steal it or buy it) claims he attempted to locate owner before contacting reporters. Gizmodo claim he recieved a support ticket number when calling, so easy to prove.
But this goes beyond simply civil law, especially when talking about journalism, regardless of its form.

And it all boils down to public interest. Imagine if someone found a VFNZ branded device that
no one had seen before, and it ended up with Freitasm, and he posted it here..
Then the VFNZ Thought Police turn up and raid Geekzone offices, taking computers, HDD, etc. I doubt very much if you guys would tow the same line then.

The guy could have sold it to HTC, RIM, Nokia, any competing companies. But he didnt, it ended up with a tech journo, and he ruined Apples party.
With Apples history with Giz, and their draconian media policy that ensures nothing but shills, too bad for them, you reap what you sow!

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