Orcon: No more Dotcom

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#1012878 26-Mar-2014 08:33

They took out the fair use clause making it truly unlimited.
Might have been just after the campaign started actually.

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#1012915 26-Mar-2014 09:30

NonprayingMantis: What were the new features you launched unlimited with for the Kim Dot com ad?

We launched VDSL with associated Unlimited plans, which brought Hi-speed unlimited to much more of New Zealand for instance.

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#1012933 26-Mar-2014 09:43

What's wrong with our public transport? Besides the bus seats being too small for someone tall like me, the public transport in Wellington is stellar. I get from my door in Khandallah to work in the CBD in about 15 minutes, and get home in the same time. Snapper is fantastic too.

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#1012935 26-Mar-2014 09:44

Unfortuantely Orcon "ending" the campaign won't get rid of his smug-ugly face everywhere thanks to his silly political patry. :-(

The guy should be sitting in an American jail cell waiting for "his day in court", not pestering the New Zealand population with his cons, trickery, and tom-foolery.

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#1012945 26-Mar-2014 09:51

FireEngine:
NonprayingMantis: What were the new features you launched unlimited with for the Kim Dot com ad?

We launched VDSL with associated Unlimited plans, which brought Hi-speed unlimited to much more of New Zealand for instance.

Sorry, You didn't launch vdsl until jan, but your Kim dot com ads started all the way back in October.

(And 'bringing high speed internet to much more of New Zealand' just sounds like marketing fluff, since almost every other ISP had already launched vdsl before you)

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#1012950 26-Mar-2014 09:53

Dairyxox: They took out the fair use clause making it truly unlimited.
Might have been just after the campaign started actually.

It was well after the campaign started, and they only took it out because of advertising standards complaints about the ads,

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#1012954 26-Mar-2014 09:56

NonprayingMantis:
FireEngine:
NonprayingMantis: What were the new features you launched unlimited with for the Kim Dot com ad?

We launched VDSL with associated Unlimited plans, which brought Hi-speed unlimited to much more of New Zealand for instance.

Sorry, You didn't launch vdsl until jan, but your Kim dot com ads started all the way back in October.

(And 'bringing high speed internet to much more of New Zealand' just sounds like marketing fluff, since almost every other ISP had already launched vdsl before you)

Sorry it was the current campaign I was referring to. If you want to debate the precise content of all our campaigns involving KDC then this is the wrong place - only Orcon technical/customer service here, no marketing types.

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#1013149 26-Mar-2014 13:35

gehenna: What's wrong with our public transport?

Auckland's public transport is abysmall, at best.

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#1013191 26-Mar-2014 14:15

Buzz Bumble:

gehenna: What's wrong with our public transport?

Auckland's public transport is abysmall, at best.

It's not that bad, sure it's not great, but it's not abysmal - thousands of people a day do use it quite successfully (me included).

I don't think I have ever seen you say anything positive, ever. Must be hard work always being so negative.

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#1013258 26-Mar-2014 16:04

The third world countries I've been to have all had superior telco service and pricing to NZ

During the Orcon promotion we changed our broadband plan and considered changing plans. Orcon never made it onto the list of candidates because of their use of KDC.

Anyone who has ever produced a digital product (script, program, image, music, movie) will have experienced the problems of piracy and know that file sharing sites that pay per download encourage it. I don't flatter myself that anything I've ever created has had enough popularity to be a target though.

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#1013421 26-Mar-2014 21:12

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On this point I cant see the difference between the accusations against Megaupload and the US Postal Service. USPS will quite happily ship, for example, counterfeit branded jeans around and by doing so facilitate the counterfeit jeans trade....

Both would be equally wrong of course but stones and glass houses etc....

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#1013432 26-Mar-2014 21:25

FireEngine: [Purely personal comment]

On this point I cant see the difference between the accusations against Megaupload and the US Postal Service. USPS will quite happily ship, for example, counterfeit branded jeans around and by doing so facilitate the counterfeit jeans trade....

Both would be equally wrong of course but stones and glass houses etc....

The alleged difference is that Mega were knowingly rewarding people that were participating in 'illegal activity' (i.e. they knew what people had uploaded, and were rewarding people that uploaded particular files), USPS (and every other freighter) is mostly blind to what is in the boxes that they move.

This is also (from memory) why they are trying to use money laundering (which is one of the common crimes between US/NZ) for extradition, as they are claiming that because he/they knew the contents and was collecting money from people to see that content, and then rewarding the uploaders, that it was dirty.

(Usual disclaimer, I'm not a lawyer, and I'm trying to recall indictment papers that I read a year or two back so rusty memory applies too)

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#1013468 26-Mar-2014 22:11

nigelj: The alleged difference is that Mega were knowingly rewarding people that were participating in 'illegal activity' (i.e. they knew what people had uploaded, and were rewarding people that uploaded particular files), USPS (and every other freighter) is mostly blind to what is in the boxes that they move.

This is also (from memory) why they are trying to use money laundering (which is one of the common crimes between US/NZ) for extradition, as they are claiming that because he/they knew the contents and was collecting money from people to see that content, and then rewarding the uploaders, that it was dirty.

(Usual disclaimer, I'm not a lawyer, and I'm trying to recall indictment papers that I read a year or two back so rusty memory applies too)

Yep all alleged and hinges on "knowing" I think...but others will fight over that I'm sure.

One point is that post Rena, it is obvious shipping mis-documentation is rife (at least at the ISO container level). Many containers documented as carrying innocuous cargo turned out to have hazmat inside - one reason why the salvage crews ran out of the pingers they were attaching to the hazardous containers so they could be tracked if/when they separated from the wreck....suspect shipment documentation is equally inaccurate at any level it is required TBH...

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#1013472 26-Mar-2014 22:16

I don't know whether I trust him or not, frankly I don't care. He has not committed an offence in NZ and all he's done is commit copyright fraud and piss off the MPAA who had the political leverage to influence the fbi to come here and presto, the nz police to do an american style guns and helicopters raid. Flatly refusing to make a phone call for kim dot coms heavily pregnant wife, physically abusing him and then telling lies in court.
At the same time the GCSB bill passes, licences have to be bought to play radio stations in a business, the tpp becomes a matter not for public scrutiny, protest at sea becomes illegal as does protest in general in neighbouring democracies. Any idiot can see there is a trend here and he is one of very few people with the money and influence to do anything about it. Who the hell cares if he's a dishonest egomanic, the figures in charge of running the country aren't ?

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#1013642 27-Mar-2014 09:13

turnin: I don't know whether I trust him or not, frankly I don't care. He has not committed an offence in NZ and all he's done is commit copyright fraud and piss off the MPAA who had the political leverage to influence the fbi to come here and presto, the nz police to do an american style guns and helicopters raid. Flatly refusing to make a phone call for kim dot coms heavily pregnant wife, physically abusing him and then telling lies in court.

"Not having commented an offence in New Zealand" is not an excuse. To receive a visa (or residency, or citizenship) you shouldn't have any "dirty" under your name. From what we know:

In 1994, he was arrested by German police for trafficking in stolen phone calling card numbers. He was held in custody for a month, released and arrested again on additional hacking charges shortly afterwards. He was eventually convicted of 11 counts of computer fraud, 10 counts of data espionage, and an assortment of other charges. He received a two-year suspended sentence – because he was under age at the time the crimes were committed.^[29] The judge in the case said the court viewed his actions as "youthful foolishness."

In 2001, Schmitz bought €375,000 worth of shares of the nearly bankrupt company Letsbuyit.com (de) and subsequently announced his intention to invest €50 million in the company.^[31] The announcement caused the share value of Letsbuyit.com to jump^[32] and Schmitz cashed out, making a profit of €1.5 million. One commentator suggested that Schmitz may have been ignorant of the legal ramifications of what he had done, since insider trading was not made a crime in Germany until 1995,^[29]and until 2002 prosecutors also had to prove the accused had criminal intent.^[33]Schmitz moved to Thailand to avoid investigation^[12] where he was subsequently arrested on behalf of German authorities.^[30] In response, he allegedly pretended to kill himself online, posting a message on his website that from now on he wished to be known as "His Royal Highness King Kimble the First, Ruler of the Kimpire".^[30]^[34] He was deported back to Germany where he pleaded guilty to embezzlement in November 2003 and, after five months in jail awaiting trial, again received a suspended sentence (of 20 months).^[33] After avoiding a prison sentence for a second time, he left Germany and moved to Hong Kong in late 2003.^[12]Schmitz found Hong Kong to his liking and registered Kimpire Limited in December 2003, soon after moving there. He set up a network of interlinked companies, including Trendax which was claimed to be an artificial intelligence-driven hedge fund delivering an annual return of at least 25%.^[35] However, Trendax was never registered with Hong Kong’s Securities and Futures Commission and the company was legally not allowed to accept investments or to conduct trades.^[18] Dotcom was subsequently convicted for failing to disclose his shareholding to the Securities and Futures Commission, and was fined 8000 Hong Kong dollars.

Someone applying to a New Zealand visa should't have been granted one, even less residency or citizenship. But, hey...

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