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#982955 9-Feb-2014 21:03

gehenna: I had my VDSL installed last week. I've gone from 12ish Mbps down and about 800Kbps up, to 63Mbps down and 10Mbps up.

I'm loving it.

thats a nice jump, 17a by the sounds of things too!

your line must have not been the best before the install..

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#983294 10-Feb-2014 13:25

hio77: for 9db atteuation, your download speed looks a little slow, i suspect no central filter. (one will be installed as part of the vdsl installation)

ild expect you to be about 20~35mbit downstream. (2.5~4.3MB/s around about.)

THanks. I have ordered it. The guy is coming next Monday.

So they will install this central filter? Do VDSL use their own central filter that is not compatible with the ADSL one?

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#983297 10-Feb-2014 13:31

Snackos:
hio77: for 9db atteuation, your download speed looks a little slow, i suspect no central filter. (one will be installed as part of the vdsl installation)

ild expect you to be about 20~35mbit downstream. (2.5~4.3MB/s around about.)

THanks. I have ordered it. The guy is coming next Monday.

So they will install this central filter? Do VDSL use their own central filter that is not compatible with the ADSL one?

VDSL requires the install of a central filter. The same filter can be used for ADSL.

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#983299 10-Feb-2014 13:34

Snackos: Do VDSL use their own central filter that is not compatible with the ADSL one?

Rewiring with a new VDSL central filter/splitter (replacing your old ADSL filter) and a new dedicated Cat6 link to a new RJ45 jackpoint is mandatory for a Chorus VDSL install - specially with your attenuation figures. Otherwise you won't get useable VDSL.

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#983319 10-Feb-2014 13:56

Yeah I had no master filter before, and there were a bunch of badly wired phone jacks in the house I found out when the VDSL install was done.

So now I just have one jack that's live, and covered by the master filter. It's super stable and super fast. I've uploaded about 400GB to Mega in a week to backup all my gear and files, and was getting 1.1MB upload speeds.

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#988872 17-Feb-2014 13:42

Hi,

Just discovered that VDSL was available and have been looking into it a bit and thinking about upgrading. Here is my current router stats and speedtest (both over ethernet). Can i expect much of an upgrade?

Upstream / Downstream
Actual Data Rate 1005 (Kbps.) / 13954 (Kbps.)

Upstream / Downstream
Noise Margin 12 dB / 11 dB
Attenuation 4 dB / 10 dB

Also have a few questions, Currently on Genius, I get a new modem and have to rely on third party options for VOIP headsets right?, Also we are currently renting at our house, will the installation require of any work done to the the house? Im pretty sure that i do not have a master splitter installed although i'm not too sure as to what it even looks like.

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#988877 17-Feb-2014 13:57

swashbuckler: Hi,

Just discovered that VDSL was available and have been looking into it a bit and thinking about upgrading. Here is my current router stats and speedtest (both over ethernet). Can i expect much of an upgrade?

Upstream / Downstream
Actual Data Rate 1005 (Kbps.) / 13954 (Kbps.)

Upstream / Downstream
Noise Margin 12 dB / 11 dB
Attenuation 4 dB / 10 dB

Also have a few questions, Currently on Genius, I get a new modem and have to rely on third party options for VOIP headsets right?, Also we are currently renting at our house, will the installation require of any work done to the the house? Im pretty sure that i do not have a master splitter installed although i'm not too sure as to what it even looks like.

Thanks for your help.

suggest running your attenuation through this calculator, that will tell you how far away you are from your local exchange/cabinet. 700m or so away from my calculation on there. Not ideal but better than ADSL. You'll see a jump in upload but download might not be so dramatic of a jump.

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#988878 17-Feb-2014 13:58

10db attenuation, probably about 25~35/10

wouldnt be a bad upgrade for you!

as part of a VDSL installation, a central filter will be installed, pretty minor work needed to be carried out.

in terms of your landlord, installing a filter will be an improvement for dsl connections in future for them too.

as for the VOIP itself, i cant help there. im sure an orcon person will make comment on it.

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#988893 17-Feb-2014 14:10

hio77: 10db attenuation, probably about 25~35/10

wouldnt be a bad upgrade for you!

as part of a VDSL installation, a central filter will be installed, pretty minor work needed to be carried out.

in terms of your landlord, installing a filter will be an improvement for dsl connections in future for them too.

as for the VOIP itself, i cant help there. im sure an orcon person will make comment on it.

As per @hio77 you will need to have a master VDSL filter installed which is different to your normal ADSL filter. Regarding what options are available, I suggest calling residential sales on 0800 13 14 15 option 2

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#988956 17-Feb-2014 15:19

No need to call res sales for handset options. You can plug in any analogue handset, including cordless, to the genius router.

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#989017 17-Feb-2014 16:31

Hi all,

Haven't seen this posted elsewhere, but apologies if it already has.

I'm wondering why Orcon VDSL (unlimited cap) is more expensive than ADSL and fibre (unlimited plans). If it was purely down to speed then I'd expect fibre to be the same as VDSL.

Other providers seem to be able to offer VDSL at same price as ADSL?

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#989021 17-Feb-2014 16:33

jscriv: Hi all,

Haven't seen this posted elsewhere, but apologies if it already has.

I'm wondering why Orcon VDSL (unlimited cap) is more expensive than ADSL and fibre (unlimited plans). If it was purely down to speed then I'd expect fibre to be the same as VDSL.

Other providers seem to be able to offer VDSL at same price as ADSL?

Cheers,

Jeremy.

It is because we are charged more by Chorus for a VDSL connection than for either ADSL or UFB connections. Simple as that.

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#989022 17-Feb-2014 16:33

jscriv: Hi all,

Haven't seen this posted elsewhere, but apologies if it already has.

I'm wondering why Orcon VDSL (unlimited cap) is more expensive than ADSL and fibre (unlimited plans). If it was purely down to speed then I'd expect fibre to be the same as VDSL.

Other providers seem to be able to offer VDSL at same price as ADSL?

Cheers,

Jeremy.

VDSL actually costs more than ADSL to provide.

fiber is cheaper than copper rates.

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#989027 17-Feb-2014 16:38

Actually according to Orcon's website its priced between ufb 30/10 and 100/50 which is about where it sits for most customers I would have thought.

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#989028 17-Feb-2014 16:41

Thanks ubergeeknz, hio77 et al.

Looks like this is rather current in the news (Chorus's pricing proposal to ComCom)

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