[Snap] Are these the sort of VDSL speeds i Should have expected?

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#128919 28-Aug-2013 13:47

I have had a recent VDSL2 install and the speeds are below what i expected. My question is are these the sort of speeds you guys would have expected?.

- I live 550 meters away from the Fendalton exchange in CHCH (I know this doesn't necessarily mean the run of cable is 550m)
- I have a new 15meter length of Cat5e cable to my dedicated jack point.
- When originally installed was wired incorrectly and was only getting 8 down 7 up but have since resurrected that with my new cat5e run.

Before I start playing around with the fritz i just wanted someone else to confirm this is what i should have expected.

Here are some of my Fritz screenshots:

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#885862 28-Aug-2013 13:47

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#885875 28-Aug-2013 13:59

That signal graph is horrible. If the cable run is anywhere near 550m (and your attenuation reading suggests it is), I would have thought you'd get around double that downstream. You have a master splitter & all that, right?

jayjay03301

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#885880 28-Aug-2013 14:07

Yep, Master filter installed behind the dedicated jack point. I knew something looked fishy there

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#885881 28-Aug-2013 14:09

jayjay03301: Yep, Master filter installed behind the dedicated jack point. I knew something looked fishy there

When you say behind, how do you mean?

The line should enter your house at the ETP, then enter the splitter, with the DSL split off to it's jackpoint and <everything else> off the other pair. Is that how it is?

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#885889 28-Aug-2013 14:11

No, the line runs to the dedicated jack point (where filter is), then the rest of the jackpoints are fed from the filter? if that makes sense.

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#885895 28-Aug-2013 14:24

As long as there is nothing connected to the line between where it enters the house, and the splitter, I imagine it should be OK, though others would be better suited to answer that specifically.

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#885899 28-Aug-2013 14:30

This is what the chorus tech did, Although I'm sure he had no clue. All other jacks are definitely connected to the phone side of the filter.

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#885900 28-Aug-2013 14:30

What else could cause such a horrible signal graph?

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#885912 28-Aug-2013 14:52

Whatever you do, don't play around with the SNR of the Fritz!Box on your connection, it'll only cause problems. I'd say it's likely due to the distance from the cabinet/exchange. The equipment might be 550m away but there might be also 800m of cable heading there (it doesn't always take the most direct route) - I've seen it in the past where the cabinet was 400m away from a customers place but the cable actually circled the block meaning it was close to 900m before it reached there.

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#885913 28-Aug-2013 14:53

Would that not mean my attenuation would be higher though?

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#885985 28-Aug-2013 16:42

michaelmurfy: Whatever you do, don't play around with the SNR of the Fritz!Box on your connection, it'll only cause problems. I'd say it's likely due to the distance from the cabinet/exchange. The equipment might be 550m away but there might be also 800m of cable heading there (it doesn't always take the most direct route) - I've seen it in the past where the cabinet was 400m away from a customers place but the cable actually circled the block meaning it was close to 900m before it reached there.

My line length is 900m according to chorus, its 600m by road. and i get 32-38mbps depending on weather (it changes a lot when its wet, chorus tech told me this is normal, i thought it wasnt). And my quoted atten figure is the same as his, but my graphs are far healthier.
This line definitely has something wrong with it imo.

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#886007 28-Aug-2013 17:04

eXDee:
michaelmurfy: Whatever you do, don't play around with the SNR of the Fritz!Box on your connection, it'll only cause problems. I'd say it's likely due to the distance from the cabinet/exchange. The equipment might be 550m away but there might be also 800m of cable heading there (it doesn't always take the most direct route) - I've seen it in the past where the cabinet was 400m away from a customers place but the cable actually circled the block meaning it was close to 900m before it reached there.

My line length is 900m according to chorus, its 600m by road. and i get 32-38mbps depending on weather (it changes a lot when its wet, chorus tech told me this is normal, i thought it wasnt). And my quoted atten figure is the same as his, but my graphs are far healthier.
This line definitely has something wrong with it imo.

I would agree, are you also using the Fritz!Box? It could also be the fact he's still going through DLM.

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#886009 28-Aug-2013 17:06

Yes I am using Fritzbox (7390) This is day 7 of VDSL and have pretty much been at these speeds since friday

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#886010 28-Aug-2013 17:06

jayjay03301: Would that not mean my attenuation would be higher though?

Attenuation is merely measuring the electrical property of the copper cable indicating distance.

SNR and the bitloading graph are showing the ability of your copper cable to carry a DSL signal at a particular frequency.

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#886020 28-Aug-2013 17:21

anyone think about actual proclaim vdsl filter that telecom maybe using is infact not complaint with vdsl. I had previously with my adsl a filter and on label it said it was vdsl2 complaint but when I tempted to use that filter I found line performance was horrid . I got one from ulteranative supplier making sure it was vdsl2 complaint one. Sure enough my line perfomance is at simliar distance to his person and im getting 33meg/10meg here so just thought to throw to all that replying here

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