VDSL speed keeps dropping

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w2krules

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#143233 7-Apr-2014 19:23

VDSL was installed this morning and the downstream rate was 39 kbps. When I came home after work it had dropped to 30 and is now down to 27!

I thought that it was meant to get better with time, not worse?

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#1020168 7-Apr-2014 19:23

Hello... Our robot found some keywords in your post, so here is an automated reply with some important things to note regarding broadband speeds.

If you are posting regarding DSL speeds please check that

- you have reset your modem and router

- your PC (or other PCs in your LAN) is not downloading large files when you are testing

- you are not being throttled by your ISP due to going over the monthly cap

- your tests are always done on an ethernet connection to the router - do not use wireless for testing

- you read this topic and follow the instructions there.

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- Your ISP and plan

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- If you are rural or urban

- If you know your connection is to an exchange, cabinet or conklin

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- If you have done an isolation test as per the link above

Most of the problems with speed are likely to be related to internal wiring issues. Read this discussion to find out more about this. Your ISP is not intentionally slowing you down today (unless you are on a managed plan). Also if this is the school holidays it's likely you will notice slower than usual speed due to more users online.

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#1020182 7-Apr-2014 19:32

Please provide the information PeterReader asks for, this will help diagnose potential issues.....

w2krules

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#1020189 7-Apr-2014 19:43

It's back to 39 Mbps after a modem reboot. I'll monitor it for a while and post again if I do need help.

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#1020211 7-Apr-2014 20:02

do you mean mbit?

your modem wont sync at 39kbit. DSLAM wont allow it.

post line stats. dont reboot your router, reboots (or lost syncs due to pulling cable out) could negatively affect your line.

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w2krules

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#1020271 7-Apr-2014 21:18

Yes, it should be Mbps.

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#1020273 7-Apr-2014 21:24

this sounds like DLM simply settling in. although it could indicate a fault if your line wasnt installed correctly (unlikely)..

cant really many any prediction on that though, as your lack of posting line stats, after being ask multiple times, would indicate your probably going off speedtests.

so once again

please post line stats. we cant do alot to help you if you dont give all the information. you have not stated how long you have had VDSL for iver.

lastly, DLM doesnt only make lines better, it can also make lines "worse" as DLMs purpose is to achieve best speed and stability.

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w2krules

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#1020276 7-Apr-2014 21:31

hio77: this sounds like DLM simply settling in. although it could indicate a fault if your line wasnt installed correctly (unlikely)..

cant really many any prediction on that though, as your lack of posting line stats, after being ask multiple times, would indicate your probably going off speedtests.

so once again

please post line stats. we cant do alot to help you if you dont give all the information. you have not stated how long you have had VDSL for iver.

lastly, DLM doesnt only make lines better, it can also make lines "worse" as DLMs purpose is to achieve best speed and stability.

No, the speeds are from the modem, and as noted in the first post, VDSL was installed this morning.

Anyways here are the stats: Sorry about the formatting but the info is there.

Synchronized Time: 0:1:55:25
Number of Synchronizations: 1

Mode: VDSL2 Annex A
Traffic Type: PTM
Status: Up
Link Power State: L0
Copper Loop(kft): 0.0

Downstream Upstream
Line Coding(Trellis): On On
SNR Margin (0.1 dB): 133 120
Attenuation (0.1 dB): 129 0
Output Power (0.1 dBm): 135 -95
Attainable Rate (Kbps): 42399 10072

Path 0 Path 1
Downstream Upstream Downstream Upstream
Rate (Kbps): 39157 10072 0 0

B (# of bytes in Mux Data Frame): 237 226 0 0
M (# of Mux Data Frames in an RS codeword): 1 1 0 0
T (# of Mux Data Frames in an OH sub-frame): 64 10 0 0
R (# of redundancy bytes in the RS codeword): 16 16 0 0
S (# of data symbols over which the RS code word spans): 0.1935 0.7155 0.0000 0.0000
L (# of bits transmitted in each data symbol): 10504 2728 0 0
D (interleaver depth): 165 173 0 0
I (interleaver block size in bytes): 254 61 0 0
N (RS codeword size): 254 244 0 0
Delay (msec): 8 8 0 0
INP (DMT symbol): 1.00 1.00 0.00 0.00

OH Frames: 2479584 723944 0 0
OH Frame Errors: 3223 5 0 0
RS Words: 142591019 45121 0 0
RS Correctable Errors: 6778 1131 0 0
RS Uncorrectable Errors: 190 0 0 0

HEC Errors: 677 0 0 0
OCD Errors: 0 0 0 0
LCD Errors: 0 0 0 0
Total Cells: 521388663 0 0 0
Data Cells: 30118060 0 0 0
Bit Errors: 0 0 0 0

Total ES: 33 3
Total SES: 14 0
Total UAS: 53 39

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#1020279 7-Apr-2014 21:40

ok. so what i note here.

- your line has a few errors on it.
- your snr margin is running high.
- your currently running on DLM-4
- your line is reasonably long. be glad your hitting near 40mbit.

what this could mean, is as mentioned before, your installation wasnt done correctly (once again unlikely) or there is a sizeable amount of crosstalk in your area.

insure your resyncs are caused by DLM and not your line loosing sync.

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#1020282 7-Apr-2014 21:52

The phone line that the VDSL is on sounds "crackly".

Also, we aren't far from the nearest cabinet - 165m total down the drive and along the road. Why do you say that it's a long line?

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#1020290 7-Apr-2014 22:13

w2krules: The phone line that the VDSL is on sounds "crackly".

Also, we aren't far from the nearest cabinet - 165m total down the drive and along the road. Why do you say that it's a long line?

is it a naked line or not? i didnt think orcon did clothed lines.

165M by walking/driving sure. cables dont go like that though.

best example of this is TimA, his cabinet is right outside his fence. his cables travel up the road and back - quite a funny story.. 400M rather than like 10M

Attenuation (0.1 dB): 129

thats a 12.9 dB attenuation, which would be about 1KM.

ild ask orcon for what your attenuation prequals at, and take it from there.

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w2krules

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#1020346 8-Apr-2014 08:02

Thanks. I expected it to be further than 165m, but 1km???

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#1020435 8-Apr-2014 10:17

w2krules: The phone line that the VDSL is on sounds "crackly".

OK so that's not a good sign at all. You should really lodge a fault.

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#1020502 8-Apr-2014 11:43

Will do.

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#1020538 8-Apr-2014 12:19

w2krules: Thanks. I expected it to be further than 165m, but 1km???

Yes I've seen this, a friend had a cabinet about 20 meters away from his house, his phone cable doesn't even go to that exchange as its on the other-side of the road.
My personal cable is just over 800m from the exchange and I could tough a stone and hit the exchange...

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#1020686 8-Apr-2014 14:43

w2krules: The phone line that the VDSL is on sounds "crackly".

Can you expand on that - the VDSL voip line sounds crackly or, if you plug a phone into the POTS landline into the house that has VDSL on it, that sounds crackly?

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