Slingshot Actively Blocking Torrents? All You Can Eat.

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Mooseboy

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#67963 11-Sep-2010 23:16

I've just recently started seeing "Connection closed by peer" on trackers for torrents, which apparantly means that my ISP is blocking the tracker.

Anyone else got this, or have any insight?

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#378882 11-Sep-2010 23:22

Some slingshot users I know get this...So I yea its slingshot's doing.
Its not happening to me though

If you're using utorrent

Enable encryption. (press ctrl+g)

At protocol encryption.
Make outgoing to "forced" and untick "allow incoming legacy connecitons"

robbyp

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#378887 11-Sep-2010 23:30

I am just wondering if it would not be an idea to have a 'All you can Eat' thread where people can discuss their issues with it, rather than each person starting up their own new thread. Just that all these seperate Slingshot problem threads are filling up recent discussions on the homepage over other topics, and they are all somewhat similar issues with the same plan. I suspect there will only be more and more people with issues as more people signup to it after moving from Telecoms bigtime plan, and don't get the performance they expect.

Personally I am of the opinion that you get what you pay for, and if you are not happy with the performance you are always free to move to another provider.

Detruire

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#378890 11-Sep-2010 23:37

I've been having the same problem.

In addition, it seems like the actual peer connections are closed by Slingshot too.
With a tunnel, I connect to 50+ peers on a torrent. Without, around 10. (I tried this on multiple torrents with >100 peers)

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robbyp

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#378891 11-Sep-2010 23:40

Detruire: I've been having the same problem.

In addition, it seems like the actual peer connections are closed by Slingshot too.
With a tunnel, I connect to 50+ peers on a torrent. Without, around 10. (I tried this on multiple torrents with >100 peers)

Isn't it in their terms that they give priority over certain forms of traffic? If so I suspect with torrents, which have a low prioty, this is one way to lessen the load on their network.

Mooseboy

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#378892 11-Sep-2010 23:43

robbyp: I am just wondering if it would not be an idea to have a 'All you can Eat' thread where people can discuss their issues with it, rather than each person starting up their own new thread. Just that all these seperate Slingshot problem threads are filling up recent discussions on the homepage over other topics, and they are all somewhat similar issues with the same plan. I suspect there will only be more and more people with issues as more people signup to it after moving from Telecoms bigtime plan, and don't get the performance they expect.

Personally I am of the opinion that you get what you pay for, and if you are not happy with the performance you are always free to move to another provider.

I am perfectly happy, I'm even happy with torrents running around 50KB/s, but the blocking happened just now, and is the only thing I'm unhappy with.

Detruire

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#378894 11-Sep-2010 23:46

robbyp: Isn't it in their terms that they give priority over? certain forms of traffic? If so I suspect with torrents, which have a low prioty, this is one way to lessen the load on their network.

I expect torrents to go slow because the bandwidth isn't there. I don't expect them to go slow because connections are constantly being cut.

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robbyp

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#378896 11-Sep-2010 23:50

Detruire:
robbyp: Isn't it in their terms that they give priority over? certain forms of traffic? If so I suspect with torrents, which have a low prioty, this is one way to lessen the load on their network.

I expect torrents to go slow because the bandwidth isn't there. I don't expect them to go slow because connections are constantly being cut.

Would the ISP have the ability to cut off the connections, so they are limited to a certain number? I don't know what wizardry they are using on this plan. However if Telecom wasn't able to make this sort of plan work economically, Slingshot must be doing something different behind the scenes.

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#378897 12-Sep-2010 00:02

I'm sure they can do it, although I'm unsure whether they are doing that or whether it just happens because the priority is so low.

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kiwigeek1

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#378898 12-Sep-2010 00:05

actually its utorrent 2's new UDP trackers and Utp protocol that got around big times filtering just nicely then telecom killed it off as some abused it by doing 1tb a month.

uTP protocol use udp packets not tcp packets that most filtering targets.see the bittorrent tab bandwidth manager.

only works if everyone is using UTP though.. e.g. the seeders and sometimes can take 5min to kick in..

can also use a proxy to get a tracker connection.. lots of ways to get around controls
just no way to get around a total speed limiting like forced to modem speed sadly :/

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#378977 12-Sep-2010 13:09

This has been happening for a while on the slingshot network - their forums at forum.slingshot.co.nz are full of these sorts of complaints.

You may be interested in running the Glasnost tests here
http://broadband.mpi-sws.org/transparency/bttest.php

Takes about 10 mins to run the bit torrent test, but it tries to figure out what your isp is doing with your torrent traffic.

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#379020 12-Sep-2010 14:27

I have not had this happen using Transmission (1.93 on Debian Linux). Torrents were slowish during daytime hours, but I forgot and they were completed overnight (just like they were on BT). I'm more than happy with this.

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#379084 12-Sep-2010 18:35

kiwigeek1: actually its utorrent 2's new UDP trackers and Utp protocol that got around big times filtering just nicely then telecom killed it off as some abused it by doing 1tb a month.

uTP protocol use udp packets not tcp packets that most filtering targets.see the bittorrent tab bandwidth manager.

only works if everyone is using UTP though.. e.g. the seeders and sometimes can take 5min to kick in..

can also use a proxy to get a tracker connection.. lots of ways to get around controls
just no way to get around a total speed limiting like forced to modem speed sadly :/

I think the big killer was the youtube referrer when downloading http, stick that as the referrer and then there was no artifical limiting

NZCrusader

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#379210 13-Sep-2010 09:09

are there any free tunnels ?

and how do you incorporate it into utorrent ?

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#379891 14-Sep-2010 22:22

They also spoof connection reset by peer or connection closed on ssh connections, irc connections and mms connections.

any other party on the internet spoofing would be illegal, why do ISPs think they can get away with it?

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#382432 20-Sep-2010 19:42

kiwigeek1: actually its utorrent 2's new UDP trackers and Utp protocol that got around big times filtering just nicely then telecom killed it off as some abused it by doing 1tb a month.

uTP protocol use udp packets not tcp packets that most filtering targets.see the bittorrent tab bandwidth manager.

only works if everyone is using UTP though.. e.g. the seeders and sometimes can take 5min to kick in..

can also use a proxy to get a tracker connection.. lots of ways to get around controls
just no way to get around a total speed limiting like forced to modem speed sadly :/

wow! 1tb a month? jeez...i thought my 120gb usage on a 5gb plan was bad

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