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#632472 30-May-2012 10:28

BlueShift:
KiwiNZ: The Bill of rights states.....

13 Freedom of thought, conscience, and religion
• Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience, religion, and belief, including the right to adopt and to hold opinions without interference.

Now IMHO that means they are free to hold their beliefs without name calling as are those who don't hold their beliefs.

I don't think name calling is covered under "interference". They are free to have their opinion/religion, but when they choose to broadcast it to the world, the world is free to reply with their own opinions.

Calling the people running a religious broadcast "god botherers" is in no way the same as forcibly converting them to atheism. In the same way that running a religious broadcast is not the same as forcing me to watch it.

Yes it is interference.

Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.

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#632473 30-May-2012 10:28

vexxxboy:
KiwiNZ: The Bill of rights states.....

13 Freedom of thought, conscience, and religion
• Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience, religion, and belief, including the right to adopt and to hold opinions without interference.

Now IMHO that means they are free to hold their beliefs without name calling as are those who don't hold their beliefs.

then why do they come and annoy me at my home, i consider that interference

That depends - are they calling you names?

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#632475 30-May-2012 10:34

KiwiNZ:
BlueShift:
KiwiNZ: The Bill of rights states.....

13 Freedom of thought, conscience, and religion
• Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience, religion, and belief, including the right to adopt and to hold opinions without interference.

Now IMHO that means they are free to hold their beliefs without name calling as are those who don't hold their beliefs.

I don't think name calling is covered under "interference". They are free to have their opinion/religion, but when they choose to broadcast it to the world, the world is free to reply with their own opinions.

Calling the people running a religious broadcast "god botherers" is in no way the same as forcibly converting them to atheism. In the same way that running a religious broadcast is not the same as forcing me to watch it.

Yes it is interference.

NZ Human Rights Commission: The New Zealand Bill of Rights Act sets out a range of civil and political rights, which arise from the United Nations International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights. The Act includes, among other things, the right to freedom of expression, the right to religious belief, and the right to freedom of movement, and the right to be free from discrimination.

The right to religious belief is one thing, but what is being expressed here is the right to freedom of expression. The religious group is freely expressing themselves over the airwaves, some people in these (and probably other) forums are expressing the opinion that they are "god botherers". Nobody is impinging on anybody's free expression, and nobody is interfering with anybody's right to have a religious belief.

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#632476 30-May-2012 10:36

vexxxboy:
KiwiNZ: The Bill of rights states.....

13 Freedom of thought, conscience, and religion
• Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience, religion, and belief, including the right to adopt and to hold opinions without interference.

Now IMHO that means they are free to hold their beliefs without name calling as are those who don't hold their beliefs.

then why do they come and annoy me at my home, i consider that interference

If they don't stop and leave immediately when asked then yes that is interference with your freedom of belief.

Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.

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#632477 30-May-2012 10:37

KiwiNZ: The Bill of rights states.....

13 Freedom of thought, conscience, and religion
• Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience, religion, and belief, including the right to adopt and to hold opinions without interference.

Now IMHO that means they are free to hold their beliefs without name calling as are those who don't hold their beliefs.

If a bit of "name calling" can interfere with one's freedom of thought, then one's thoughts cannot be particularly firmly held.

Interesting too that the clause you cite would seem to make any attempt to alter anyone's opinion illegal, and that includes almost all advertising and all discussion!

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#632480 30-May-2012 10:42

BlueShift:
KiwiNZ:
BlueShift:
KiwiNZ: The Bill of rights states.....

13 Freedom of thought, conscience, and religion
• Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience, religion, and belief, including the right to adopt and to hold opinions without interference.

Now IMHO that means they are free to hold their beliefs without name calling as are those who don't hold their beliefs.

I don't think name calling is covered under "interference". They are free to have their opinion/religion, but when they choose to broadcast it to the world, the world is free to reply with their own opinions.

Calling the people running a religious broadcast "god botherers" is in no way the same as forcibly converting them to atheism. In the same way that running a religious broadcast is not the same as forcing me to watch it.

Yes it is interference.

NZ Human Rights Commission: The New Zealand Bill of Rights Act sets out a range of civil and political rights, which arise from the United Nations International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights. The Act includes, among other things, the right to freedom of expression, the right to religious belief, and the right to freedom of movement, and the right to be free from discrimination.

The right to religious belief is one thing, but what is being expressed here is the right to freedom of expression. The religious group is freely expressing themselves over the airwaves, some people in these (and probably other) forums are expressing the opinion that they are "god botherers". Nobody is impinging on anybody's free expression, and nobody is interfering with anybody's right to have a religious belief.

So you would agree with the actions of Neo Fascist or Islamic Fundamentalist or ultra conservative Christian groups to act as they have of late in may places of in the world.

The Bill of Rights gives peoples the right to hold, express etc their beliefs without interference, using abusive terms is assault and interference.

An group can express their views publicly than cannot abuse, insult etc those with opposing views and incite hatred of other groups.

Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.

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#632488 30-May-2012 11:03

KiwiNZ:
BlueShift:
KiwiNZ:
BlueShift:
KiwiNZ: The Bill of rights states.....

13 Freedom of thought, conscience, and religion
• Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience, religion, and belief, including the right to adopt and to hold opinions without interference.

Now IMHO that means they are free to hold their beliefs without name calling as are those who don't hold their beliefs.

I don't think name calling is covered under "interference". They are free to have their opinion/religion, but when they choose to broadcast it to the world, the world is free to reply with their own opinions.

Calling the people running a religious broadcast "god botherers" is in no way the same as forcibly converting them to atheism. In the same way that running a religious broadcast is not the same as forcing me to watch it.

Yes it is interference.

NZ Human Rights Commission: The New Zealand Bill of Rights Act sets out a range of civil and political rights, which arise from the United Nations International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights. The Act includes, among other things, the right to freedom of expression, the right to religious belief, and the right to freedom of movement, and the right to be free from discrimination.

The right to religious belief is one thing, but what is being expressed here is the right to freedom of expression. The religious group is freely expressing themselves over the airwaves, some people in these (and probably other) forums are expressing the opinion that they are "god botherers". Nobody is impinging on anybody's free expression, and nobody is interfering with anybody's right to have a religious belief.

So you would agree with the actions of Neo Fascist or Islamic Fundamentalist or ultra conservative Christian groups to act as they have of late in may places of in the world.

The Bill of Rights gives peoples the right to hold, express etc their beliefs without interference, using abusive terms is assault and interference.

An group can express their views publicly than cannot abuse, insult etc those with opposing views and incite hatred of other groups.

Well, no. Agreeing to someone's right to express an opinion is NOT the same as agreeing with that opinion. Which most certainly does not extend to supporting any actions over and above expressing an opinion.

Assault is a well-defined legal term, which does NOT include calling someone a very mildly derogatory name.

Any person or group has an express right to hold any opinion they wish. They additionally have the right to express their opinion, which then gives anyone else the right to express their own opinion in return or in parallel. Such discussion may at times be 'frank and robust' and may cause hurt feelings, but as long as it is reasonably civilised, and does not descend into bullying and abuse, it cannot be classified as "interference".

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#632489 30-May-2012 11:04

What about going back to discuss the channel now?

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#632498 30-May-2012 11:06

freitasm: What about going back to discuss the channel now?

Works for me

I'll post an in-depth review once I've watched it.
Don't hold your breath though...

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#632525 30-May-2012 11:40

I shall also review this channel, can't wait for the documentary on how dinosaurs never existed. Or the second documentary on how they were actually Dragons, and lived side by side with man

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#632529 30-May-2012 11:44

I for one look forward to the documentaires about how the world is sure to end within several months.

Hopefully their advertisers who book forward contracts won't see that!

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#632538 30-May-2012 12:02

Nothing worth seeing here, move along :-)

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#632540 30-May-2012 12:08

Brunzy: Introducing Firstlight Broadcasting Network. New Zealand's new
Christian television channel.
The Firstlight channel will begin broadcasting on 1st July 2012 via
nationwide terrestrial Freeview.

+1 and thanks for posting, appreciated.

Others: I don't want to go on about it as it ends up OT, but remember just as atheists have different views, so do Christians. While some don't believe that dinosaurs existed, even with scientific proof (fossils for example), others do (such as myself).
What I am saying is don't judge all Christians the same because of differing scientific beliefs and views.

Off my soapbox...now.

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#632541 30-May-2012 12:12

KiwiNZ: Freeview is 'free view' they are entitled to create a channel, just as those who disagree with it are free not to watch it. If channels like
this are blocked, what next, Rugby channels, Cooking channels, Maori television?

I can prove that Rugby, Cooking & Maoris do in fact exist.

You are right, everyone is entitled to their opinion, and I respect others views on almost everything*. However I will not be watching it

*this does not include iPhone users

I'm not a complete idiot, I still have some parts missing.

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#632556 30-May-2012 12:40

injuised: Jesus Christ, not another God bothering channel

Could have been another Asian or Maori channel..

Regards,

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