Geekzone: technology news, blogs, forums
Guest
Welcome Guest.
You haven't logged in yet. If you don't have an account you can register now.




635 posts

Ultimate Geek
+1 received by user: 32
Inactive user


Topic # 25470 22-Aug-2008 10:10
Send private message

Hi guys,

I got a freeview tuner for my TV, which is a CRT style TV with 4:3 aspect.

I notice some stuff broadcast is widescreen, and thats fine. But some of the shows/ads are 4:3 and for some reason my Sony TV is not showing the 4:3 stuff in full screen - its got a fairly descent size black border around the edge.

Anyone know why?

How to fix?

Thanks

-Al

View this topic in a long page with up to 500 replies per page Create new topic
 1 | 2
588 posts

Ultimate Geek

Trusted

  Reply # 158891 22-Aug-2008 10:21
Send private message

I got this after my sister-in-law played with our Sky Digital settings.  My thinking is that, although a program may be in 4:3, the actual signal being provided is still 16:9.  Therefore, you still get the black bars top and bottom for the widescreen presentation, but you also get the black sides from the 4:3 (if that makes sense).

Looks like we have only two options... keep it as-is or use the 4:3 mode where it cuts off the ends of the 16:9 but fits top and bottom.

(it does look like you're peering through a slot in the TV, doesn't it?)




Post-geek, opinionated mediaphile, and natural born cynic. Jack of all genres, master of none.

6605 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 537

Trusted

  Reply # 158896 22-Aug-2008 10:46
Send private message

Yeah watching tv is a complete laugh at the moment.  The ad breaks are a crack up as the picture jumps all over the place.  On most set top boxes though there are 3 setting to size the picture.  Wide screen is as it's broadcast, or at least scaling until the signal picture hits the left and right sides of the tv.  Pillar box, or other scales until the picture hits the top and bottom of the screen.  Zoom, or Crop and pan is your only option here in that it will scale in both directions.  C4 benefits from this especially for example. 
Some TV's automatically do it, but others you have to manually adjust each time or each channel etc.  Yes above is correct too, in that a 4:3 picture sent out is often the 4:3 picture set on a widescreen black background.  This keeps it in proportion and still sends it as a widescreen picture.  Sorry, but you'll have to crop/zoom to view properly and hope you don't cut too much off in the process.

 
 
 
 


Try Wrike: fast, easy, and efficient project collaboration software
1006 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 29


  Reply # 158897 22-Aug-2008 10:48
Send private message

Im getting this with sky on alot of channels. Changes between 4:3 & 16:9 randomly. Some programs are wide, some ads are wide, some arent

Sky STB & tv both set to 16:9. Only started happening recently. My friend who has a CRT and sky is also getting it.

Starting to piss me off!




HTPC: Silverstone Crown CW02 case | Asus P5Q-L main board | Intel Dual core E8400 3.0GHz CPU | Thermalright Ultra120-Extreme Passive CPU Cooler | Blackgold BTG3540 TV Tuner & Hauppauge PVR-150 MCE Edition | Asus EN9600GT-Silent Passive GPU | 4GB Supertalent DDR2 800 RAM | 5+TB HDD space | LiteOn DH-401S BD/DVD/CD reader | Corsair HX-520w PSU | 1 single Noctua Silent Case fan | Logitech diNovo Bluetooth Media Desktop | Logitech Harmony 785 Universal Remote | Logitech Wireless Rumblepad 2 | Windows 7 Media Center, MediaBrowser & Arcsoft Total Media Theatre

6605 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 537

Trusted

  Reply # 158916 22-Aug-2008 11:23
Send private message

Yeah the wife hates this, was never an issue on the old analogue tv.
I'll not put up with it, if I'm going to watch C4 etc I'll crop it and then change to a different setting when I change channel, doesn't bother me, but for a lot of people this is just another hassle.
Fk, nothing in this game is easy any more.  You used to have one remote for the tv.  Even when you plugged a VCR in it got tuned to RF channel 0 or similar.  Now a TV is a display device and you select your input device and output device for the surround receiver, mucho difficult for anyone not so technically minded.  We have a standard setup and now have 4 remotes.

I agree though I found it very difficult to understand why something with black bars top and bottom and left and right wasn't scaled up to fill the screen.  Now understand it's 4:3 dumped on a wide 16x9 black banner.  TV picks this up as 16:9 so doesn't bother scaling it.  TV keeps black bands top and bottom for wide screen but source has black bands left and right as well.

Big thing for me, is why is widescreen tv broadcast in an aspect ration that has black bands top and bottom still?  My widescreen tv is not wide enough to display normal TV full screen!

cisconz
1178 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 77

Trusted
Lifetime subscriber

  Reply # 158945 22-Aug-2008 13:02
Send private message

Asmodeus: Im getting this with sky on alot of channels. Changes between 4:3 & 16:9 randomly. Some programs are wide, some ads are wide, some arent

Sky STB & tv both set to 16:9. Only started happening recently. My friend who has a CRT and sky is also getting it.

Starting to piss me off!


Think of it this way.

Channels are broadcast in 16:9
But your TV is 4:3 so software in the Sky/Freeview box adds black lines above and below.



Sky/TVNZ/Canwest/Kordia have some programming that is in 4:3 so they add black bars either side.



So combined you see a picture in a black box.


This is a temporary issue as all new programming is being recorded in 16:9
Once it has all transitioned over you will only see top and bottom bars on a 4:3 screen.
Or a full picture on a 16:9 screen




Hmmmm


1006 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 29


  Reply # 158981 22-Aug-2008 15:49
Send private message

I realise what the prob is, but thanks for the graphic. I mostly get the bars on the sides (I have a 37" lcd) and occasionally on the top & bottom. Luckily it never happens during Olympic footage (would be a real piss off) but happens on nearly every other channel at some point...

My friends CRT look ridiculous with the bars as its already cramped enough...

Any idea how long this will go on for, or does no one know?




HTPC: Silverstone Crown CW02 case | Asus P5Q-L main board | Intel Dual core E8400 3.0GHz CPU | Thermalright Ultra120-Extreme Passive CPU Cooler | Blackgold BTG3540 TV Tuner & Hauppauge PVR-150 MCE Edition | Asus EN9600GT-Silent Passive GPU | 4GB Supertalent DDR2 800 RAM | 5+TB HDD space | LiteOn DH-401S BD/DVD/CD reader | Corsair HX-520w PSU | 1 single Noctua Silent Case fan | Logitech diNovo Bluetooth Media Desktop | Logitech Harmony 785 Universal Remote | Logitech Wireless Rumblepad 2 | Windows 7 Media Center, MediaBrowser & Arcsoft Total Media Theatre

2584 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 5

Mod Emeritus
Trusted
Lifetime subscriber

  Reply # 159035 22-Aug-2008 19:07
Send private message

For as long as there is stuff that has been recorded in formats other then 16:9... read more then likely longer then you are alive.

I it will sure get better as older stuff is no longer shown but I would never expect it to go away all together.

Plus you will always get bars top and bottom  for some things as film is often not shot at 16:9.







Media centre PC - Case Silverstone LC16M with 2 X 80mm AcoustiFan DustPROOF, MOBO Gigabyte MA785GT-UD3H, CPU AMD X2 240 under volted, RAM 4 Gig DDR3 1033, HDD 120Gig System/512Gig data, Tuners 2 X Hauppauge HVR-3000, 1 X HVR-2200, Video Palit GT 220, Sound Realtek 886A HD (onboard), Optical LiteOn DH-401S Blue-ray using TotalMedia Theatre Power Corsair VX Series, 450W ATX PSU OS Windows 7 x64



635 posts

Ultimate Geek
+1 received by user: 32
Inactive user


  Reply # 159117 23-Aug-2008 09:22
Send private message

Thanks guys - that explains it well. Basically I need to buy a new TV :-)

2645 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 220

Trusted

  Reply # 159120 23-Aug-2008 09:48
Send private message

You'll still have bars, even on a widescreen tv, when they play old 4:3 content.   Until the 4:3 content continues, there's no escape from the black bars of doom! :)




Check out my LPFM Radio Station at www.thecheese.co.nz cool

 

 

 

Use this link to sign up to Bigpipe broadband and you'll get $20 off your first bill: Referral Link




635 posts

Ultimate Geek
+1 received by user: 32
Inactive user


  Reply # 159122 23-Aug-2008 10:18
Send private message

Yes - but it will only be black bars at the sides at least

1006 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 29


  Reply # 159191 23-Aug-2008 19:59
Send private message

bigal_nz: Yes - but it will only be black bars at the sides at least


Black bars at the sides are the worst of the lot!!




HTPC: Silverstone Crown CW02 case | Asus P5Q-L main board | Intel Dual core E8400 3.0GHz CPU | Thermalright Ultra120-Extreme Passive CPU Cooler | Blackgold BTG3540 TV Tuner & Hauppauge PVR-150 MCE Edition | Asus EN9600GT-Silent Passive GPU | 4GB Supertalent DDR2 800 RAM | 5+TB HDD space | LiteOn DH-401S BD/DVD/CD reader | Corsair HX-520w PSU | 1 single Noctua Silent Case fan | Logitech diNovo Bluetooth Media Desktop | Logitech Harmony 785 Universal Remote | Logitech Wireless Rumblepad 2 | Windows 7 Media Center, MediaBrowser & Arcsoft Total Media Theatre

21012 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 4154

Trusted
Subscriber

  Reply # 159207 23-Aug-2008 22:49
Send private message

Bars on the side are what you get watching 4:3 on a 16:9 display anyway, so its no different to the TV adding the bars if the set top was set to center cut.

What I find the most annoying is that C4 play videos out which are 16:9 but not scaled up to the full 16:9 frame, so there is about 15% blankness on each side of it even on a widescreen tv.




Richard rich.ms

Awesome
4793 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 1060

Trusted
Subscriber

  Reply # 159217 23-Aug-2008 23:22
Send private message

richms: What I find the most annoying is that C4 play videos out which are 16:9 but not scaled up to the full 16:9 frame, so there is about 15% blankness on each side of it even on a widescreen tv.


TV1 and TV2 do it *sometimes* as well Yell

21012 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 4154

Trusted
Subscriber

  Reply # 159220 23-Aug-2008 23:36
Send private message

I have only seen it on the 16:9 segments of 4:3 reality crap shows that they play, and really, I couldnt care if there was no picture with them.

Its C4's constant screwup of aspects that I find the most annoying since I watch it the most.




Richard rich.ms

183 posts

Master Geek


  Reply # 166160 22-Sep-2008 08:45
Send private message

This is a good simple article on widescreen display.
http://www.dtg.org.uk/consumer/widescreen.html

In my case i have a 29" 4:3 crt tv. When using freeview terrestrial through my pc tuner card certain programs have that black box look with black boarders around the program. Going by the link above this is because the program is broadcast as "Pillar Box" then because my tv is 4:3 it is displayed as "Letterbox" giving you that black box look.


"Pillar Box"


"Letterbox"




My current solution is to record these shows then make the ts file directshow supported so they can be used with avisynth's DirectShowSource and crop to make it be displayed full screen on tv.

 1 | 2
View this topic in a long page with up to 500 replies per page Create new topic



Twitter »

Follow us to receive Twitter updates when new discussions are posted in our forums:



Follow us to receive Twitter updates when news items and blogs are posted in our frontpage:



Follow us to receive Twitter updates when tech item prices are listed in our price comparison site:





News »

Lightbox updates platform with new streaming options
Posted 17-May-2018 13:09


Norton Core router launches with high-performance, IoT security in New Zealand
Posted 16-May-2018 02:00


D-Link ANZ launches new 4G LTE Dual SIM M2M VPN Router
Posted 15-May-2018 19:30


New Panasonic LUMIX FT7 ideal for outdoor: waterproof, dustproof
Posted 15-May-2018 19:17


Ryanair Goes All-In on AWS
Posted 15-May-2018 19:14


Te Papa and EQC Minecraft Mod shakes up earthquake education
Posted 15-May-2018 19:12


Framing Facebook: It’s not about technology
Posted 14-May-2018 16:02


Vocus works with NZ Police and telcos to stop scam calls
Posted 12-May-2018 11:12


Vista Group signs Aeon Entertainment, largest cinema chain in Japan
Posted 11-May-2018 21:41


New Privacy Trust Mark certifies privacy and customer control
Posted 10-May-2018 14:16


New app FIXR connects vehicle owners to top Mechanics at best prices
Posted 10-May-2018 14:13


Nutanix Beam gives enterprises control of the cloud
Posted 10-May-2018 14:09


D-Link ANZ launches Covr Seamless Wi-Fi System
Posted 10-May-2018 14:06


Telstra, Intel and Ericsson demonstrate a 5G future for esports
Posted 10-May-2018 13:59


Spark introduces Android One with Nokia 7 plus and Nokia 6.1
Posted 8-May-2018 05:00



Geekzone Live »

Try automatic live updates from Geekzone directly in your browser, without refreshing the page, with Geekzone Live now.



Are you subscribed to our RSS feed? You can download the latest headlines and summaries from our stories directly to your computer or smartphone by using a feed reader.

Alternatively, you can receive a daily email with Geekzone updates.